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| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2004  |
Dirk Anderson has a news article on his web site about Steve Tanner, a new SDA prophet who is advising the General Conference with his visions and dreams! Here are a few select quotes from the article and the link to the entire thing:
--http://www.ellenwhite.org/news/n20050325.htm Isn't that dangerous to have "visions" while driving a school bus?? Does his school district know about this?? Wow. And once again, as with Soo, the criteria for deciding whether the visions are from God or Satan is not whether they line up with the Bible, but rather what the visions "feel" like! They seem to have forgotten that Satan comes as an angel of light. The GC probably wants to keep this a secret. Jeremy | ||
| Michael Registered user Username: Michael Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2005 |
Wow Jeremy, I live just about 2 miles from the Miamisburg, Ohio SDA church. That is a VERY scary thing. Isn't it SO good to be out of that mess. Thanks for sharing that. I will investigate more, because this might be impacting people within our sphere of help. In Christ, Mike ramlorey@mac.com | ||
| Michael Registered user Username: Michael Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2005 |
Jeremy, Just finished reading the whole article on the EGW Research Project and discovered that he had made his presentation in the Centerville SDA church. The picture taken of him is from that church. Incidently, the church I now attend Southbrook Christian Church (www.southbrook.org) which is now only a mile down the street from Centerville SDA, use to meet on Sundays in the Centerville SDA church. It is just sad when you find out that this stuff is happening all around you. It re-news my conviction to help all those I can to get out of that system. Thanks again. Mike | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 235 Registered: 7-2004  |
Welcome to FAF, Mike--I just noticed you're finally posting! Apparently if this guy is having visions while driving a school bus, it's not the type that makes him fall down and appear dead. Still, it would have to be distracting! Maybe an angel drives the bus for him in the meantime. Would that sort of phenomenon make it more likely for SDA acceptance? | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 236 Registered: 7-2004 |
I just looked at the website you referenced, Jeremy. Wow! I find it very disconcerting to see a person involved in that sort of thing (like EGW) in a church we used to attend! I too recognize that as the front of Centerville church. We attended there for a couple years when our daughters were very young. That's also where our daughters used to go for Adventurer Club meetings regularly. Makes me wonder which of the people I know actually attended this particular meeting... | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2005 |
It is also amazing how many of the mission stories lately (SDA) have included people having very graphic and vivid dreams telling them to go to the SDA church, keep the Sabbath etc. In light of the background of many of these people, especially in Haiti and the Caribbean region, it kind of gives me the creeps. Many of these people were not Christian prior to this and were into religions that border on the occult, very superstitious and focused on omens etc. It just makes you wonder. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 207 Registered: 7-2000  |
Hi, Michael. I used to live in Miamisburg, Ohio in the late 1960's. At that time, I was involved with the Kettering Church and Spring Valley Academy. Like you, I now attend a Christian church - Crossroads Christian Church in Corona, CA. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 543 Registered: 1-2003 |
Jeremy. I posted what you wrote about the new prophet on www.carm.org under the SDA site...I sure could use some help over there. There is a new poster (a 19-year-old girl) who was sucked into the SDA chruch just weeks ago with the prophecy code seminar...it can't be a co-incidence that she found CARM, where the overall topic of the SDA thread is "Is SDA a cult or not?" Come check it out. Ric b is the moderator over there...he posts here too. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 544 Registered: 1-2003 |
Jeremy...where can I find the quote that either ellen or her husband said, there is still money to be made from our pens...or something like that? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 582 Registered: 10-2004 |
The quote is from James White in a letter to Ellen. I found it at Truth or Fables.
Jeremy | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 400 Registered: 6-2004 |
Oh my...this bus driver sounds a lot like Otto from The Simpson's with his hallucinations (or visions, if you prefer) while driving. | ||
| Windmotion Registered user Username: Windmotion Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2001 |
Oh no, not Otto!! Pw you are terrible!! But yet, oddly humorous and refreshing!! Sweetly, Hannah | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 120 Registered: 1-2003  |
I'm curious about what others believe. Is there a prophetic gift active in the Christian Church in these last days. If so how does it manifest itself in Christ's followers and how are we to evaluate it's validity? Is the gift of prophecy in the New Testament the same as the office of Prophet spoken of in the Old Testament. Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 347 Registered: 5-2002 |
Richard, consider the following verses. "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: FOR THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY." Rev. 19:10 (emphasis mine) and "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, HATH IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Heb 1:1,2 (emphasis mine) Before Jesus came, the Law and the prophets were the vessels through which God revealed His will to the nation of Israel. But now that His own Son has been revealed to all of us, He is all we need to know about. Hence, all prophecy in the present age (these last days) is about Jesus. Everything to be revealed about life and truth has been deposited in Jesus, "heir of all things". Paul admonishes the church in 1 Thessalonians 5:20 not to ignore someone who is prophesying, but to test what is prophesied. Based on the above texts, if it's not about Jesus, it's a false spirit that is prophesying. I pray that you gain some insight from this. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1825 Registered: 12-2003  |
Good question, Richard. Yes, I believe there is an active gift of prophecy in the church--it's one of the spiritual gifts. Philip had four daughters who were prophetesses; Agabus prophesied a famine and Paul's arrest. The difference between today and the OT, I believe, is that prophets in the church will not be revealing "new light" about salvation or the truth about God. Their prophesies will be for the edification of the church--but they will be people whose gift is recognized by the church (read that those who are born again and are in the fellowship of the prophet) as a gift of the Spirit. Hebrews 1:2 says that in the past, God spoke through the prophets, but in these last days, He has spoken through His Son. Jesus was the final revelation (until His coming) of the truth about God and salvation. The Holy Spirit gifts prophets and teachers and preachers to speak forth the word of God and to explain it. I believe the confusion about whether or not someone is a true prophet evaporates when all involved are truly born again and actively growing in the Lord. Just as the Holy Spirit in us causes us to recognize the Holy Spirit in the words of Scripture, so the Holy Spirit in us can cause us to recognize when God is rebuking, teaching, or warning us through another person. The problem with stories such as the man above is complex. First, it's hear-say. Second, suppose it's true (I suspect it may be true): he is targeting his "message" to the Adventist church which already has a problem with vulnerability to a false prophet. He is not taking his messages to congregations of born again Christians who are dedicated to growing in truth and in the knowledge of the word of God and intimacy with Jesus. In other words, his message appears to be generated from a spirit similar to that which generated Ellen's--at least, the people are vulnerable to believing him. Third, his message does not seem to be helping the church turn toward Jesus, grow in faith and grace, or rely on Jesus. Rather, they seem to be more political in nature and prone to generating fear or anxiety. When Jesus speaks to us, He brings a sense of "settled-ness" or assurance that He is with us, even if the message is confronting us. It will never contradict Scripture, and it will not have "new light". I believe the Holy Spirit will confirm a true prophetic message to us in the same way He confirms other understandings. It will not generate fear because it will come with the presence of the Holy Spirit. Yes, I truly believe in the gift of prophecy. I don't see, though, that such a gift is more significant or prone to generate "a following" than are any of the other gifts. It is un-self-assuming and works with the gifts of other believers as an organic part of the body. A prophet in the church, I believe, will not become a sensation or develop a "following" any more than will a person with the gift of encouragement or mercy. Technically, no Christ-follower will develop a following; if people "follow" a person, they're focussing on human traits. Paul warned the Corinthians about rallying around their favorite teachers in 1 Corinthians. A true spiritual gift will draw people inexorably toward Jesus. At least that's how I see it! Colleen | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2005 |
Freeatlast, thank you for your wonderful answer to Richard's very valid questions. It seemed so simple as I read the texts you quoted. And yet, I have failed to see the simplicity of the answer. "God hath in these last days spoken to us by His Son." Give me Jesus! Back in the late 80's I was sucked into a group of people - where several members were getting visions and messages "from God". The visions were of heaven and all the marvelous things there - just like the man's vision above about the Tree of Life. The general trend of the messages was to GET READY! They stirred people up with fear and anxiety that the world was soon coming to an end. They were also full of admonitions of things to DO! I felt that one of the reasons that I fell prey to such a thing was how I was raised in the SDA church. The prophecies of Joel were always thrown in the face of anyone who doubted these messages - and if the SDA church had EGW - then another prophet could surely come. They also made us "feel" very special! Even after all these years out of that weird movement, I have asked myself the same questions that Richard just posted. The comments that Freeatlast and Colleen gave reveal a simple answer. It's all about Jesus. I knew that but have never applied it to the Gift of Prophecy before. Thank you for this "Aha" moment. It is just what this thick-skulled woman needed.  | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 421 Registered: 7-2004 |
Hello Linda dear...good to see you here! | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 348 Registered: 5-2002 |
Lindylou, thank YOU. Knowing that even one precious person was impacted makes me grateful to God for allowing me to participate in the ministry of grace, peace, and truth found in Jesus Christ. Jesus, thank you for letting us be part of Linda's recovery from deception! Please guard us all against the deceiver. For what it's worth, Peter declared the Joel 2:28 prophecy fulfilled at Pentecost. Compare Joel 2:28: "And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" with Acts 2:16,17: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:" The Joel prophecy pointed to Pentecost, not Ellen White! The disciples and apostles were already "in the last days". May God richly bless your study of His Word, both written in Scripture and incarnate in Jesus. | ||
| Bobalou Registered user Username: Bobalou Post Number: 16 Registered: 2-2005 |
Hi Mike and Bob, I too lived in Centerville (Washington Twp.) and attended Centerville Church. What a outreaching and growing group Southbrook is. Something good is happening there. I want to attend the next time I am in Ohio. Didn't they rent Spring Valley Academy several years ago? My son owns the landscaping company next to Southbrook. It is good to be back on FAF. Some glitch was keeping me from posting in the discussion threads. I saw the article on Dirk's web site and E-mailed it to all my Adventist friends. I haven't gotten any comments except for a funny one from my son who is also a former. Blessings to all. boB | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 212 Registered: 7-2000 |
When I lived in the Dayton, Ohio area in the late 60s, I was involved with the Kettering Church. As I recall, at that time there was no SDA church in Centerville. Bob | ||
| Bobalou Registered user Username: Bobalou Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2005 |
Right Bob. There was, at that time, the Far hills Church. Boy was it packed while the Kettering Church was being built. Far Hills started the Centerville Church and we met in the School, but that was after you were gone. I worked at the hospital as a respiratory therapist. boB | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 237 Registered: 7-2004 |
Hi Bobalou, Did your wife teach? I think I might know you guys. I'm Sheryl Enevoldson Barker, class of '82. | ||
| Bobalou Registered user Username: Bobalou Post Number: 19 Registered: 2-2005 |
Hi Sheryl, she sure did. I remember you folks well. Where are you now? How about the rest of your family? We were at alumni last week end. Carolyn had the roll call. She has done it forever. Saw a lot of former students and faculty. Ed Dower, a former Bible teacher, spoke for the worship service. He had a great sermon on Grace. One of the best I have ever heard. I ask him after the service if he was still SDA and he grinned and said yes. I related to him my position and he told me some very interesting things. He is a great Christian man. Thanks for making yourself known. I would love to hear your story. I presume you are a "former". | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 238 Registered: 7-2004 |
Yes, my husband and I are officially formers as of this past summer. Our story is posted on this website (Rick and Sheryl Barker). You can e-mail us if you want, (rickbarker@fuse.net). We'd love to converse. I've been trying to avoid alumni weekends for a little while, but may go back my 25th. Sheryl |
