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Seekr777
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 10:13 am: |     |
Melissa, Thanks for sharing from your heart. These are all issues that I "wrestle" with and ask for discernment from God as He reveals His nature and kingdom to me/us.
You said, "There are no second chances if you guess wrong." This is probably not what you ment but I choose not to guess but rest in the assurance of my salvation through the blood of the Lamb and my acceptance of His gift.
The question you are asking about losing a persons salvation is very important. I'm trying not to go back to my old way where I needed to be soooo sure I'm RIGHT and yet not have the relationship I should with my Savior.
Richard
rtruitt@mac.com |
Jeremy
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:30 am: | |
Melissa,
The only reason this issue is so important to me, is not only because I think it is clear in the Bible, but from I've seen, it is too easy to fall into a false gospel of salvation by faith plus works, or of having to "maintain" one's salvation, if you believe your salvation can be lost/rejected.
You wrote:
quote:In which case, why would I try so hard to do the "right" thing, if it didn't help my relationship with Christ? If I still get to heaven any way... there have been many days that would have been enough.
That sounds like salvation by faith plus works, or having to "maintain" your salvation, to me. That sounds like adding to Jesus' finished work. That is what concerns me about the doctrine that one can lose their salvation.
Jeremy |
Helovesme2
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 12:08 pm: | |
I agree it's every easy to fall into a 'faith +' gospel. At the same time isn't there a difference between 'losing' something and 'rejecting' it? |
Dennis
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 12:57 pm: | |
Some of the reasons why so many do not embrace eternity security in Christ may include some of the following factors:
1) A law-based religion that teaches perfectionism (never feeling good enough to belong in God's wonderful family).
2) Not understanding the Gospel fully (the distinctives between law and grace).
3) Misunderstanding forgiveness (somehow feeling unforgiven).
4) A lack of trust (faith) in Jesus Christ alone.
5) Denying the inerrancy and all-sufficiency of Scripture.
Dennis Fischer |
Tracey
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 7:49 pm: | |
The parable of the prodigal son:
HE left the household, but was always welcomed back. He rejected his father.f
This is how I view salvation.
It's not about losing it, It's an inheritance to me. If a person leaves the household of faith, it doesn't mean the household of faith rejected him. That household will still be there when they decide to come home. (and we just all hope that they come back home before it's too late)
But Jesus already said that he will never leave us nor forsake us. It's a relationship is what our salvation is. One party has to walk because the other party said I won't ever walk away from what we have together. And this is God. He holds the salvation in His hands for us with open arms to freely give. |
Jeremy
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 8:06 pm: | |
Tracey, was the prodigal still his father's son, even when he went out into the world?
Jeremy |
Riverfonz
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:06 pm: | |
Dennis, You have a way with words to put everything succinctly, and direct, and to the point! A great statement on eternal security. Stan |
Foreverscout
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:38 pm: | |
On thing I'd have to wonder. If you truly belonged to God, and it would follow that you truly had a relationship with and knew the Father, Son & Holy Spirit; could you actually reject Him?
I mean, having a relationship like that, could you turn your back on it? It seems to me that if you could reject Him, then you never truly knew Him.
The only unpardonable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Foreverscout |
Tracey
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 1:21 am: | |
Jeremy,
I will always be my father's daughter. I absolutely can turn MY back on the relationship, but I was made his daughter. Many people lose their inheritance as the son or daughter b/c they don't have the personal relationship with the parent or grandparents or who ever. But it doesn't change the real fact that they are actually a part of that family. The focus is "Did I sever the relationship that entitles me to the inheritance?" The focus is not what my role was in the family.
We are made in the likeness of God. The families on earth are like the family of God. The child your wife bears will always be your child, so yes, even if your child walks away from the family, he is Yours. Being yours doesn't automatically entitle him to anything though the relationship you share would. For example, you could have a special relationship with a child in Africa that you will give the inheritance to.
ForeverScout,
You point is odd only because, Who's perfect that you would say "If you truly..." No, we mess up, we make mistakes. We as children have lied, snuck away from our own parents, we KNOW our parents, had a relationship with our parents, but we aren't perfect in it. But that isn't the same as saying we really don't belong to them or truly know them.
What it says is that we may disappoint our parents and ourselves with our decisions and behaivior, but the GOOD NEWS is that Jesus came in the flesh, who took on sin and understands us by our flesh. In our relationship with Him, He is the only perfect one and we will always battle between our flesh and our spirit.
I think that the prodigal son parable was so wonderful b/c that means God already had the insight to our imperfect decisions in life and our mistakes and was letting us know that "Hey, I am your TRUE dad that waits for YOUR return to me b/c I have so much love for you and desire you to have the best life possible in me."
The parable makes me feel like He understood that some people would feel the need to leave Him to compare if what they had was true.
Others are already born outside that household and know when they find their True father.
others always know and never question if theirs is the True dad (the other brother) and stick with him.
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Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:00 am: | |
The tension between the verses that absolutely assure us of our security and those warnings not to "fall away" no longer disturb me. As long as there is any thought thay my salvation somehow depends on my continuing to make right choices and "being good", those warnings sound like my death sentence, because I just can't be certain I'll continue to be good (if I'm ever "good"!).
When I understand, though, that Jesus has already done everything I need to be safe, and nothing I do can either win or lose my salvation, those warnings look completely different. Instead of sounding like personal criticisms, they remind me that what I have in Jesus is so superior to what I had in the law that my heart wants to hang onto Jesus and surrender even more fully the parts of myself that He needs to transform. The warnings in Hebrews now evoke in me prayers for God to protect me from deception and to keep me focussesd and faithful in this spiritual battle that I'm in.
Again, I recognize the apparent tension, and I still personally believe there is a sort-of paradox here which, if we could see all reality as God sees it, would resolve. What I'm saying, however, is that when I see these passages from a perspective of knowing I am safe in Jesus, the warnings no longer sound like threats to my eternal security.
I'm not saying I can't get 'way off track and let myself slide into non-alertness and self-indulgence and begin living in a way not worthy of the gospel. I am saying that these possibilities no longer threaten my security--and rather than feeling bound up in fear and TRYING hard, I find myself desiring Jesus' power and the Holy Spirit's nudging me to choose obedience to Him.
I'm not explaining this well--I just have come to believe that these warnings are not threats to people who are growing in Jesus and desiring Him. They are warnings, to be sure, but from the perspective of being hidden in Jesus, they do not threaten one's security.
There is a tension here I can't fully explain, but I'm comfortable with it. I no longer feel that I have to have words to explicate it completely. I believe that this paradox, if you will, is one of those about which we can say, "If the warning addresses a lack of commitment you've been hiding from admitting to yourself, then it has fulfilled its purpose."
Thankful for security,
Colleen |
Dennis
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:24 am: | |
Jesus' parable of the prodigal son loudly proclaims the intended message, "ONCE A SON, ALWAYS A SON." A gift is not gift if you have to do something or maintain something to get it. Although there is no unpardonable sin, there is an unpardonable state--the state of unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief.
If God's holiness compels Him to take back the gift of eternal life from certain believers because of their sin, one of two things is true: Either God compromises His holiness for a time--through their small sins--or man's good works can meet God's requirements for holiness--at least for short period of time. In that case, Christ died needlessly. Can joy and insecurity really co-exist? How realistic is it to expect us to rejoice over a relationship that is only as secure as our behavior is consistent?
God is not looking for a series of promises. His primary concern at this point is not your ability to follow through. He does not want to hear all the things you intend to do for Him. HE IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL LET HIM DO FOR YOU. Jesus message is simple. Eternal life is found through faith and faith alone. Both heaven and hell will be full of men and women who have committed every imaginable evil. The difference is not the severity of their sin, or in the number of their offenses, but in their response to the offer of the Savior. Salvation is a gift to received, not a goal to be achieved.
Dennis J. Fischer |
Praisegod
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:25 am: | |
The divine tension seems to be very evident in this topic. Like most of you, I'm totally at peace that I'm saved now. But I couldn't say that I've gone so far as to say we can never reject our previous choice.
What do you do with texts such as Jesus' words in Matthew 24:13 "but he who stands firm to the end will be saved"?
I guess what I'm asking is I want to know more about how you view someone who seemed genuinely Christian in every sense of the word, who then consciously rejects Christianity and becomes a person who openly rejects Jesus and all Christian values up until the day they die?
I'm not wanting to create trouble here. I admit I'm still learning.
Praise God... |
Tracey
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:34 am: | |
Rejecting the relationship with Jesus doesn't entitle that person to the inheritance.
It's all about the relationship with the Lord.
It's all about a relationship with the Lord.
It's all about the relationship with the Lord.
The Lord still is the discerner of hearts, right?
But things change in life and people often return to the Lord. |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 9:08 am: | |
The way I deal with your question, Praise God, is by acknowledging that I really don't know what has transpired in that person's life or how God will see and deal with him.
Again, the parable in Matthew 13 has helped me have some peace about these questions, although it does not answer them all. Perhaps the bottom line is that we are accountable to God for allowing Him to heal our own divided hearts. I cannot know what internal divisions of loyalty any other person may be nursing privately that we can't see. God alone knows.
I'm at the place of admitting that I will have to trust God with these apparent tragedies and acknowledge that I do not know what has been transpiring in that person's heart and life. I have to trust God's sovereignty to deal justly and mercifully in each individual's case. I can only deal with God regarding the beam in my own eye.
And, as Tracey pointed out, "things change in life and people often return to the Lord." We truly do not know what people do with Jesus in the times and places of their hearts where we have no access. And we know that God is faithful even when we are faithless (2 Timothy 2:13).
I think the crux of the matter for me is that I really can't understand the bottom line loyalty or disloyalty in another's heart. I really can't discern between "disowning" and "faithlessness" in another person (2 Timothey 2:12-13), and I have no way of knowing whether or not another person's apparently healthy "gospel plant" has really put down deep roots or if he really has an undivided heart.
I must let God be God and allow Him to change me as He sees I need changing. And I KNOW I can trust Him with my eternal security. In Him, I am completely and forever safe.
As a girl about 8 years old said at a baptism on Good Friday at our church, "I know Jesus has forgiven me for all the sins I have committed and for all the sins I haven't committed yet!"
Yes!
Colleen |
Jeremy
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:04 am: | |
And if Jesus has forgiven me of all my future sins (which the Bible says He has), then there is NO way I am going to suffer in hell.
Tracey,
I am NOT saved by my relationship with Jesus. I have a relationship with Jesus as a RESULT of having been saved by His blood and having been born again by the Spirit.
If I was saved by my relationship and making sure I maintain my relationship with Jesus, that would be salvation by works. I just cannot see it any other way.
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12-13 NASB.)
If we are born of God and not of the will of man, then the only way we can be un-born again would be by God's power, not our own!
There are not going to be any children of God burning in hell. I'm sorry, I just can't accept that.
You talk about inheritance. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance and that we've been sealed unto the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit!
No, we are not saved by our maintaining anything. The Bible says that GOD keeps us by HIS power.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. 
Jeremy
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Foreverscout
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 1:15 pm: | |
Tracey,
Maybe if I explain how I came to the Lord you will understand what I mean. I was raised Lutheran, baptised and confirmed; my Dad was a Deacon, Youth Minister, the works... But I never had a personal relationship with the Lord. I had such a poor self image I felt sure that somewhere in that Bible it said, everyone but Pamela. I just couldn't connect.
When I was 19 I began attending a Bible study on base with friends, and that is where I met Jesus for reals. I asked Jesus into my heart and had an amazing experience. Somethings changed in my life right away, some things changed more slowly.
It was the slow changes that I found most frustrating. I have suffered from extremely severe biological depressions since I was a very young girl and God has not removed this from me. I have often backslid into drugs because of this problem. I now have 13 years clean from drugs, but it is not easy.
What I want to say is during those bad times when I was sinning, I still belonged to God. I never rejected Him. I still prayed, I still wanted Him. I was just incredibly weak.
I think rejection of God is different, that it is inherently evil because it is an embracement of evil itself.
Foreverscout |
Riverfonz
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 3:45 pm: | |
I struggled for years with this issue. One general principle of Bible interpretation I've found helpful, is to go to the sections of the Bible where a topic is discussed at length, such as Romans 3 for Justification by Faith, and interpret other difficult and questionable passages in light of the clear passages. On Eternal Security, Jesus gives an exhaustive teaching in John 5,6, and 10. there are two texts that settled this issue for me: John 5:24, the present tense is used "HAS ETERNAL LIFE", and if that life is eternal, I can't come up with any logical way to dispute Jesus's words. The other text is in Romans 8: 29, 30 or thereabouts, to paraphrase "He who he called, He also justified, He who he justified, He also glorified. I am not a Greek scholar, but I am told that there is no room for error here either. I think one problem we have today, is a form of "salvation", that says, just because you raised your hand at an evangelistic meeting somewhere, or finally responded to one of those dreadful hour long altar calls, because you couldn't leave unless you did, then go live it up because you are saved! No, salvation is a miracle God works on the heart at a time of His choosing, and He saves us for the purpose of completing that salvation. But, it took me over 10 years to come to these conclusions for myself. Blessed Assurance--that hymn really means something to me now, Stan |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:00 pm: | |
Stan, I like the way you said that: "Salvation is a miracle God works on the heart at a time of His choosing, and He saves us for the purpose of completing that salvation."
That's it in a nutshell. We have tendency to think that because someone "raised their hand at an evangelistic meeting" or prayed certain words that they are then saved. Pehaps they are--but not unless their hearts are in it. Intellectual assent does not equal surrender of the heart.
But Jesus saves us "at a time of His choosing," and HE completes that salvation. It is all His work. Praise God!
Colleen |
Tracey
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 9:06 pm: | |
Foreverscout,
I understand you better now. Forgive me please if I wrote in a tone that was inappropriate or hurt your feelings! I "get" what you are saying and I totally agree with you on your points.
I rejoice and Praise God for 13 years clean! YOu have soo done that with the help of the Lord and I am proud of you for that. You just keep pressing ForeverScout, your prize may be waiting but I know the Lord has some wonderful things for you even in this life now.
There's saying, What the devil meant for bad, God will use it for good. You have a story of true deliverance that many people in this world are literally dying to hear.
I will pray for you and I have a friend who is saved and suffers biologically from depression. It was inherited from her mom, who unfortunately committed suicide. But this girl, takes her medicine as needed and is relatively happy, very much healthy and living life and loving the Lord.
So you keep on going and YOu can't give up. There are people that need what you have and to hear your experience of God's grace over your life to bring you this far.
You are God's example of a deliverance and His example of a miracle, and His example of Grace in action, Girl! |
Foreverscout
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| | Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:26 pm: | |
No Tracey,
You didn't hurt my feelings. I just knew that you didn't understand what I was saying; that I find it difficult to believe that someone who has truly been saved and had a real relationship with our Lord could then turn around and reject Him. Because rejection is an embracement of Evil. Afterall, how could someone turn away after having experienced the ultimate love?
Biological depression runs in both sides of my family, and I have fought it both successfully and unsuccessfully almost my whole life. I have attempted so many suicides that I have actually lost count, most mere calls for help, some very serious. I have to believe that God has plans for me and that is why I am still alive this very day. I have used strong anti-depressents when necessary to get over the very worst spots and a lessor anti-depressant on a regular basis; they are a literal God-send! Right now with God's help I am doing well.
God is so good to me! That is what I want to share with everyone. A good song comes from Matthew 6:33. The song goes: "seek ye first the kingdom of God and His rightousness and all these things shall be added unto you, allelu alleluia." The 34th verse is important too, "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
It's true that He loves the unlovable, I am
a clear example of God's Love & Grace, He has made me His Own!
Foreverscout |
Randyg
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| | Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:48 pm: | |
Dear Foreverscout,
Knowing the utter anguish of depression, my heart prays for your healing. Whether it is heredity or circumstantial only Jesus can bring peace. Keep looking up Pamela, Randy |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:10 pm: | |
Foreverscout,
God has really been with you and kept you clean for 13 years because you wanted it bad enough. You have given it to Jesus. I admire you for that. God has been with you through your depression and suicide attempts and His name is being glorified through you because you are still here.
I praise God for being with you so you can glorify His name.
I struggle with an eating disorder and my "drug" of choice is sugar, carbs and fats. Even though I have belonged to a support group for 20 years, I still struggle with this thing. I discovered recently that I like sugar and really do not want to give it up and have been praying about it. I am asking God to give me the desire to give up the things I like to eat that are not good for me, such as sugar, white flour and certain kinds of fats. My Mom had this disorder and my Dad was bulimic, so I do not know if it is hereditary or environmental, but it does not matter as God can help me or cure me. I just want to be free from this compulsion for foods that are not good for me.
God is so awesome.
Diana |
Foreverscout
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| | Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 11:17 pm: | |
Hi Diana,
When you've gone down to 88 lbs and when you've picked your own skin so bad it looks like chicken pox, that's a good time to quit. But I had even deeper bottoms than that before I finally quit for good.
Who I am now, is because of what God has done with who I was before.
Sometimes knowing where the compulsion came from, can help you to understand and overcome it. Have you considered that your craving for carbs is your body's way of self-medicating? Your brain may be short of neuro-transmitters. Diana, are you or have you been suffering from depression? If so it might be a wise idea to see a doctor.
God has used Doctors and medications to help me in some incredible ways.
Live it one day, even one hour at a time and learn one thing from me Diana, don't beat yourself up over the mistakes made, just move forward. If God does not remove the desire, (he has not removed it completely for me), ask him for the courage to live with it. Ask him for the strength to live above it. On removing the desire, though it is true that sometimes the answer to prayer is no, please do not be discouraged by this, remember that even Paul had his thorn. We know not why, it must be enough that God does know why and He has the greater vision.
You know how everyone says all things are possible with God? I am more like the father of the boy in Mark 9:17-29. "I do believe, help me overcome my unbelief!". I struggle all the time. Read all the way down to verse 29 and you'll see what I mean, the 29th verse says it all. And yet, I was also the boy, I was delivered of an evil spirit of a type, the drugs themselves.
God gave me a way out, and surrounded me with people who helped, my Pastor, my church came through for us in a big way so that I could get fee from drugs. A little over a year later, my husband also came clean from drugs.
Randy, I do feel that God has given me my healing, even if the desire for drugs is never gone, what I have right now is enough.
God is with me every step of the way, I have only to lean into His arms for my rest.
Foreverscout |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 10:36 am: | |
Foreverscout, God has worked in you and is using you in a powerful way. You speak with authority and experience and gratitude, and I just praise Him for redeeming your devastating past and making you a vivid example of what it means to trust Jesus and live by faith.
Thank you for sharing your life with us.
Colleen |
Tracey
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| | Posted on Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 4:54 pm: | |
Jeremy,
Oddly enough, I didn't think we disagreed. I just think you phrased it differently from me. Jesus gave me my salvation.. All semantics aside, I don't tend to care how it's phrased as long as people understand the truth about our salvation being given to us by Christ's death and ressurrection.
Tracey
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Foreverscout
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 11:35 pm: | |
I wanted to share with everyone that I was finally able to give up my last addiction; I HAVE NOT HAD A CIGARETTE IN 26 DAYS!!! YEAH!!!
The oddest thing was, although I knew that I should quit, I really did not want to at all, I like smoking. But I had made plans for a four day camping vacation with three of my four kids and I made a last minute decision to quit, smoking the last cigarette just before I got into the truck and left.
I asked God for help. I told Him that if He could do one thing, make me WANT to quit, I would handle whatever cravings that came my way. It didn't happen all at once, but gradually I became aware of it over a period of a few days. I really did feel that I wanted to quit.
I have had some aweful cravings, especially in the first week. But I voice them outloud, and just kinda shake it off and walk away from them, (seriously, sometimes literally doing just exactly that). I haven't given in even one time, I feel that it would only make it more difficult to stay quit. It still hits me every once and a while, especially when I'm under stress, or if I see someone else have one.
My husband is trying to quit now too, he has been inspired by my try, and to be truthful, feels somewhat guilty being a smoker when I am trying so hard. Quitting addictions for him is always more difficult, so if you could all please pray for him I would really be grateful. He has fallen twice, buying two packs in the last three weeks; but this is really the hardest I have ever seen him try. I really hope he can because he had a stroke two years ago and has cardiomyopathy.
I have a goal now that I am getting healthy, I am going to be a backpacker! I have always camped, this is taking it one further. I have been hiking with my youngest son's Boy Scout Troop on Thursday nights. Last Thursday I hiked 3 miles uphill, (the last part steep), carrying a 22lb pack, I did it in 45 minutes! Next week, more weight!
Please pray for my continued deliverence from this terrible addiction. Let us all pray for the addicted everywhere.
Your sister in Christ,
Foreverscout |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 8:12 am: | |
Foreverscout, CONGRATULATIONS, God has been so good to help you with those cravings. I will pray for your continued deliverance and for that of your husband.
Diana |
Dd
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 8:32 am: | |
Foreverscout,
"I can do everything through Him who gives me strength." Phil. 4:13
It is through His power and not of our own choices or desires! You are in my prayers, my friend. I KNOW you can do it! Take His power and run with it! |
Helovesme2
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 9:49 am: | |
Wonderful Foreverscout! Way to go! God is awesome!
Mary |
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