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| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1591 Registered: 11-2002 |
This discussion only shows me how unique we each are. My oldest child was cranky as a newborn. I was young and I wanted to breastfeed and I let the oldsters talk me out if it. He eas getting a cow milk based formula. I put him on soy and he just got so healthy and happy and then I was happy, too. Now I have been trying to convince him to switch his children to soy because I think they have allergy to cow milk. Mostly it just tastes so good. | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 148 Registered: 10-2000 |
Soy intake has good and bad claims. Here's an interesting article regarding cancers, thyroid, baby formulas, nutrients et-cetera. This article also tells us what the FDA can and cannot do when labeling foods. It's a good read in my estimation. If you type "Soy producing cancers FDA" into google, there is a host of articles. This article begins with "Newest Research Reason Why You Should Avoid Soy" and was written in year 2000. Who knows what's been discovered since then but there are ample sites and I'm sure there are more recent studies. From the studies I've heard in the news. I'll won't speak of that information as I'm sure it's somewhere in one of these articles. The information I speak of came less than two years ago. http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/9/soy_research_update.htm | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 328 Registered: 4-2000  |
Denise, Thanks for sharing the link to an interesting, scientific article. The following excerpt from this article is somewhat amusing: "Celebate monks living in monasteries and leading a vegetarian lifestyle find soy foods quite helpful because they dampen libido." Catholic priests, around altar boys, may want to change their diet. :-) On a more serious level, the article links tofu and other soy consumption to dementia, thyroid malfunction, and Alzheimer's disease. It is classified as a brain-degenerating food. The late "famous" SDA China goiter surgeon, Dr. Harry Miller, didn't do the Chinese any favor in introducing yet another soy product into their diet;namely, soy milk. The article further highlights the fact that soy derivatives (commonly used in meat substitutes) inhibit mineral and vitamin absorption. Unfortunately, our Adventist friends continue to call these products "health" foods. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1531 Registered: 12-2003  |
Very interesting link, Denise. Thank you. Colleen | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 775 Registered: 7-2003  |
I have also read that article before. It gave me the same alarms B claims about meat consumption. Kindof ironic in that respect. I have mentioned the class on creation/evolution that I am taking at my church. It is conducted by a phd in physics or chemistry ... I don't remember the specific degree, but he was talking about how physics is changing the way biology scientists have to explain evolution because it is an impossible leap when considered at the molecular level. One of the interesting remarks he was talking about last week (we are comparing scripture with evolution talk) was the plant make up. It's long and drawn out all these science things, but the comment that stuck out to me is that there are some essential amino acids that are only available to the human body via animal products, as there are some essential amino acids only available via plants. While the amino acid chain may exist in plants, because of our digestive system, we are unable to digest them, therefore unable to convert them to usable forms. For example, cows have multiple stomachs which enable them to breakdown cellulose and get the nutrients therein. He doesn't know anything about adventism or it's health message, he was speaking purely as a scientist, yet I found that statement interesting...don't SDAs have molecular scientists that know these things? How do they dismiss them and hold on to the "God's original diet" when science clearly proves that all essential nutrients are not available via plants? It's a rhetorical question, really, but it always makes me wonder how they can claim God never intended people to eat meat with that knowledge? I suppose the science is bad?? Anyway, I thought it interesting. The conversation was way more indepth at the molecular level, but that statement just struck me given the SDA history. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 400 Registered: 10-2004  |
One of the co-authors of that article Denise linked to, Sally Fallon, is in charge of The Weston A. Price Foundation, and has a whole web site devoted to the dangers of soy. Here is the link: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html This page, "Myths & Truths About Soy," is helpful: http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html Soy which has undergone a long fermentation process (such as traditional Asian foods tempeh, miso, natto, etc.) is not as harmful. Also, Asians have traditionally not eaten large amounts of soy, and they usually eat it along with meat! Colleen, you mentioned obesity. Soy can cause hypothyroidism. One of the symptoms of hypothyroidism is obesity. That "Myths & Truths About Soy" page says, "Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy, constipation, weight gain and fatigue." I think that is why so many SDAs are overweight. But hey, they have "the true health message"! Jeremy | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 368 Registered: 7-2004 |
WOW...did you see the "legal action alert", Jeremy? "Possible Legal Action On Medical Problems Caused By Soy: If you believe that you have suffered physicial or medical consequences by consuming soy..." I wonder if there is any fear in the SDA church? It would seem there is a vegan out there that could blame some health difficulties on the SDA health message... | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 699 Registered: 7-2003  |
Just as an ancedotal case study: I am a 35 y/o caucasion male, height 6' 1". I was a lacto-oval vegetarian for approximately the first 30 years of life. While a vegetarian I weighed 210 pounds and had a 38" waist. I now eat meat, my weight has dropped to 160, my waistline has shrunk to 32", and I my body composition is more muscular than when I was younger. True, I exercise more than I used to, but I'm finally healthy enough (I used to get every little bug that came along) and I finally have enough energy to keep up with an exercise regime. I credit the addition of meats to my diet with much of my improvement in health, fitness, energy, and weight loss. Chris | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 403 Registered: 10-2004 |
Chris, out of curiosity I have to ask, did you eat soy frequently when you were a vegetarian? Jeremy | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 701 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yes, I did. We ate quite a bit of the Loma Linda and Worthington products. We're in a SDA mecca and you can buy the canned soy-"meats" at almost any grocery store. But it was more than that. I was always hungry and I filled up on lots and lots of breads, pastas, cheeses. Chris | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2005 |
Chris, You are right on about weight loss and meat eating. You were acquainted with my cousin Doug, and I just saw his son Harold last Christmas. They are all overweight. Most vegetarians make up for the meat they don't eat by eating tons of sugar. I have also lost weight and have so much more energy since I started the South Beach/Atkins low carb or good carb way of eating. Your cholesterol and triglycerides come down, and you are unlikely to get Diabetes. There are more studies coming out all the time proving the fraud of vegetarianism. There was a recent study, that showed that raising kids vegetarian was detrimental to their health and development. But what is worse is equating spirituality with vegetarianism which most of us heard our entire lives. Stan | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1644 Registered: 11-2002 |
The SDA health message-lots of Little Debbie's. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 782 Registered: 7-2003 |
Stan, I've gotta ask about the name "riverfonz"...Do you live by a river and like the Fonz from Happy days or am I missing something here? I love to kayak, so "river" always brings warm fuzzies to my brain, but I'd love to know the story of the name.... Melissa | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 783 Registered: 7-2003 |
Or I guess it could be phonetic....phones?? | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 215 Registered: 7-2004  |
As someone who was raised vegetarian and have eaten many soy products, this soy information is disturbing. While I do now eat chicken and fish occasionally, I still have an aversion to meat and am mostly vegetarian. Over the past year or so, I have greatly increased my consumption of soy, because I recognize the lack of protein versus carbs the vegetarian diet offers. Guess I'll have to work on that meat aversion. Actually, the taste for grilled chicken has been growing on me, and I've noticed when my meal includes chicken, my hunger feels a lot more satistifed, and my stomach just feels plain good. My dad was a vegan for many years and drank soy milk almost exclusively. He died of Alzheimers a couple years ago, and I've wondered if there's a soy connection there. Of course my mom is convinced it's because of the occasional cow milk he had as his one dietary weakness. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 112 Registered: 7-2000  |
Over the years as an SDA I ate and drank a LOT of soy products. Now I am wondering if that may have caused my hypothyroidism! Bob | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 407 Registered: 10-2004 |
Raven, I wonder if your mom thinks that because of the Mad Cow/Alzheimer's connection that Howard Lyman propagates. Howard Lyman is the "Mad Cowboy" guy mentioned earlier in this thread. Until this thread, I thought he was an SDA, because he talked so highly of EGW when he was on a 3ABN interview with the Sheltons, which I saw on video a couple years ago. He actually lied about what the government says about fish consumption, and he said that brown rice will give you all the protein you need--when it's not even a complete protein!! I call him the Lie-man instead of Lyman.  He even had his own program on 3ABN. I just searched and it looks like maybe he no longer is on the schedule, but their web site still says this about his show under the program descriptions:
Before when I looked at his web site, the only mention of God on there was in swearing--some quotes of him taking God's name in vain even. Jeremy | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 370 Registered: 7-2004 |
Sheryl, I have heard of a study that shows a higher incidence of Alzeimers and Parkinsons Disease in vegetarians...lack of B12 in the diet is what I remember to be the missing link. Bob, I think you better check into that "legal action alert" on the website Jeremy posted above...it all stemmed from that SDA health message...! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 408 Registered: 10-2004 |
Let's all file a class-action lawsuit or something--and bankrupt the GC!!! Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1159 Registered: 3-2004  |
I think that is a good idea. That way we could get some of our tithe/offerings back that we were tricked into paying Diana |
