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| Lucybugg Registered user Username: Lucybugg Post Number: 325 Registered: 2-2007 |
Hubby and I were discussing Ben Carson and his presidential run. Then I asked him the following: what if Ben is elected and then puts a "national Saturday law" in place? What if seventh day adventism is the mark of the beast? What if the very thing sdas fear is what they try to do? (Message edited by lucybugg on August 25, 2015) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15205 Registered: 12-2003  |
Lucy, that's a good question. I've long thought that Adventists will willingly take the mark of the beast, whatever it is, because they have been conditioned to believe the "mark" is a day...specifically Sunday. When the pressure is on, they will largely fail to recognize the mark for what it is because it won't be Sunday worship. They will be vulnerable to this deep spiritual compromise because they have been deceived by a false gospel. Doctrines of demons can look pious on the outside while being deadly. Adding ANYTHING, including a "holy day", to the gospel makes it a different gospel, according to Paul in Galatians 1. Colleen | ||
| Lucybugg Registered user Username: Lucybugg Post Number: 326 Registered: 2-2007 |
1. I wish there was a "like" button I could hit. 2. The sabbath is such a huge thing for sdas. I could easily see them having no problem with a national Saturday law,wholeheartedly agreeing with no buying or selling on Saturday. A sort of forcing salvation on people, if you will. Because we all know they view the sabbath as salvational. 3. I told my son this morning that sdas try to reach heaven by walking barefoot on jagged rocks rather than letting Jesus carry them. It is sad. | ||
| Dcoll Registered user Username: Dcoll Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2015 |
Excuse me...I'm so sick and tired of being reminded of all the nonsense that I embraced during my 65 years in the SDA church that this spin on SDA theology is just more drivel. Long ago I came to the conclusion that fixation on prophecy takes energy away from the most important thing which is walking the walk and building the Kingdom here and now. It was an interesting though. | ||
| Khrob13 Registered user Username: Khrob13 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2015 |
My mom (an Adventist) was just telling me the other day something that Ben Carson had said. That the brain was created by God to be eternal. To which I responded with Matthew 25:46. I told her I completely agree with him that God created us as eternal beings. She has yet to respond... | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1821 Registered: 2-2011  |
Khrob13~ Allow me to be the first to ~~~~WELCOME~~~~ You to to the "Forum"~!  Yes~GOD has created humankind with an 'eternal spirit'~ ~mj~ | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1824 Registered: 2-2011 |
Dcoll~ ~~~~WELCOME~~~~ To the Forum ~ Yes~ I agree with you the, 'Adventist Spin Dance', is "nonsense" and tiresome~ The focus of 'Christians' always is to share JESUS and what HE did on the Cross, so that they might KNOW for Sure they are 'SAVED' when they Receive JESUS as SAVIOR and LORD. ~mj~ | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15211 Registered: 12-2003 |
Welcome to the forum, Dcoll and Khrob13! We're glad to see you here! Dcoll, I agree that a fixation on prophecy takes energy away from what we ought to be doing. Our job is to be Jesus' witnesses and to be sharing the gospel. I disagree, however, that our job is to build the kingdom. I say this because there are heretical movements encroaching on Christianity that insist that the Church "brings in the kingdom", and it does not. Only the Lord Jesus brings in the kingdom. The New Apostolic Reformation is a large, wide-spread movement that has its roots in the teaching of Peter Wagner who was for years the director of missions at Fuller Seminary. The New apostolic Reformation, however, is not a biblical movement. It promotes Christian "dominionism" and teaches that Christianity will grow and spread until it fills the earth and the kingdom comes. The Bible, however, teaches that believers truly will struggle in the world, and Jesus' return will silence His enemies and establish His kingdom. I you want to read more about the New Apostolic Reformation, here is an excellent link: http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue103.htm Nevertheless, a fixation on prophecy is counter-productive for sure! Our job is to be grounded in God's word and stay ready to speak a good word, the truth of the gospel, whenever God brings us opportunity! Khrob...what an interesting thing Carson said: the brain was created to be eternal...? It's a very Adventist way to look at things. The brain is physical. The essence of humans is spiritual—and this reality is what Adventists will not admit. They teach that we perceive the Holy Spirit through the neurons of the frontal lobes...a statement I heard current president of the GC, Ted NC Wilson state in a televised clip during the summer of 2014. He said this by way of urging a vegetarian diet so the brain will be healthy enough to perceive the Holy Spirit. God created man's spirit to be eternal, not his "brain". Nevertheless, your answer to your mom was good. Colleen | ||
| Khrob13 Registered user Username: Khrob13 Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2015 |
Thank you all for the warm welcome! Colleen, I did not know that the sda only believe us to be eternal in the physical since. It's like a play on words. Where things are said that most people would perceive means one thing, but really the adventist definition is something completely diferent. Thank you for for pointing that out. Knowing these little things helps me greatly when I get the opportunity to talk with her. Where do adventists get that doctrine from? Isn't this fixation on diet an idol to the sda as well as a works righteousness aspect required for salvation? Thanks for input and clarification, KH | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1827 Registered: 2-2011 |
Dr. Ben Carson said, "the brain was created to be eternal...?"..." its a very Adventist way to look at things." Perhaps this is why he chose Pediatric Nero-surgery as his medical specialty? Of course there are many many other doctors who have chose this 'specialty'; However, Dr. Ben Carson chose it for a unique reason, to save the "brain" of children, because it is "eternal" and this is where the Holy Spirit communicates with humans~ in the 'frontal lobes'? Are we to assume then, that Dr. Carson believes what Ellen White wrote on this subject, as "Truth" ~ ? ~mj~ | ||
| Taluur Registered user Username: Taluur Post Number: 59 Registered: 8-2012 |
Colleen, I agree with you that SDAs are prone to taking the mark of the beast when it arrives because of its fixation on Sunday observance as being the mark. But even if events were to turn out this way, SDAs still have a way to avoid persecution. In Testimonies to the Church, v9, n37 (1909), EGW said: "The light given to me by the Lord at a time when we were expecting just such a crisis as you seem to be approaching was that when the people were moved by a power from beneath to enforce Sunday observance, Seventh-day Adventists were to show their wisdom by refraining from their ordinary work on that day, devoting it to missionary effort." (p.232) "Give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers." "It will be very easy to avoid that difficulty. Give Sunday to the Lord as a day for doing missionary work. Take students out to hold meetings in different places, and to do medical missionary work. They will find people at home, and will have a splendid opportunity to present the truth. This way of spending Sunday is always acceptable to the Lord." (p.238) If Christians, according to SDAs, have or will have the mark of the beast because they give Sunday to the Lord in religious service, won't SDAs also have it if they give Sunday to the Lord in the same way? Of course! | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 571 Registered: 4-2014 |
Taluur, Did you know that Adventists once upon a time interpretated the 4th Commandment's "six days shalt thee labor and do all thy work....." as making it mandatory to work on Sunday? In other words, the 4th Commandment did not just require rest on the 7th day. It also required WORK on the other six days. Historically, that older interpretation is consistent with the interpretation given the Commandment by the Jewish Courts. But like many things, Adventism abandoned the actual WORDS of the Commandment. | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 907 Registered: 10-2008  |
Taluur, In a facebook group I once brought up the point that to be consistent SDAs should work ALL other six days, they thought I was nuts. I think it would be too hard for SDAs to lose a free day to have fun (Sunday) I guess they want a weekend to relax like everybody else | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15216 Registered: 12-2003 |
Taluur, you are right. EGW always managed to hedge all her bets, didn't she? And yes...my MIL actually uses that six days to labor argument. She insists that she works on Sunday because the commandment says, "Six days shalt thou labor..." Colleen | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 572 Registered: 4-2014 |
The Jewish Courts were given exclusive jurisdiction to interpret the Mosaic Law. Their decisions are as binding as the words of the prophet. If you want to gleefully exult in your freedom from the law in Christ, read Deuteronomy 17 and Matthew 23: 1-3. It is very clear that the Jewish law courts are to be obeyed without question. The penalty for questioning them is death. For 5,000 years, those courts have ruled that one under the Mosaic Law (never a Gentile) MUST work six days a week. The words of the Fourth Commandment are very clear and do not lend themselves to any other interpretation. Adventists simply have never obeyed the 4th Commandment and they have never obeyed the rulings of the Jewish Courts, in spite of the unambiguous language of Deuteronomy 17 and Mathew 23:1-3 | ||
| Taluur Registered user Username: Taluur Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2012 |
It is ironic that the very thing SDAs idolize (the Sabbath day) and depend on for salvation is the thing they fail to keep according to Scriptures. They make up their own way of "keeping" it and condemn Christians for not observing it. Hypocritical and shameful! | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 573 Registered: 4-2014 |
Taluur, Yes, Adventists just "make it up as they go along," although occasionally they drift into surreal comedy. Rather than follow the clear-cut scriptural admonitions that Christians are not under the Law, they have defied both Jesus's and Paul's anti-Sabbatarian statements and examples. And yet, their true colors occasionally come out. That Jesus broke the Sabbath repeatedly with his healings simply cannot be disputed. And yet Adventists DO dispute it. They argue that Jesus could not have remained "sinless" and broken the Sabbath. And yet, Adventist hospital rules painstakingly prohibit the very same procedures that Jesus did, in their Hospitals on Saturdays! They deny that Jesus broke the Sabbath, but then turn around and admit it with their own Hospital policies! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15217 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, great point about Adventist hospitals and their Sabbath policies! Colleen | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 740 Registered: 2-2010 |
Colleen, thank you for your comment on the New Apostolic Reformation movement!! As far as the 6 days of work go, my husband was raised that way. He is 41 and still needs to learn how to take a break. When he does take a break from work he almost seems to become anxious. Adventism is hard to shake! No matter how long you've been out... | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15220 Registered: 12-2003 |
Free, that's so true. It's hard to shake! That deep anxiety is nameless and hard to identify; if feels as much a part of LIFE as hunger and the relentlessness of the bills. I don't think we ever get past needing to ask God to plant us deeply in truth and reality as revealed in His word. Colleen |
