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| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 530 Registered: 2-2010 |
Does EGW teach that when the gospel is spread to all the nations, then the end will come? This isn't in scripture is it? We cannot hasten the Lords return. I could use an EGW quote if anyone has one. Jeremy? The person who talked to me about this is looking for the scripture to back up her comment. It would help if when she didn't find it I could show her where it came from. Also, if it is in scripture...then...?!?! It would just be a matter of the order of events right? I KNOW we cannot hasten the Lords return. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3862 Registered: 10-2004  |
Free2dance, She is probably thinking of the following verse, where Jesus says: "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14 NASB.) Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 02, 2012) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7683 Registered: 9-2006  |
Maybe if I extoll the virtues of UPS my parts will get here sooner.  The end will come when it gets here, the gospel in made known to all the world by no single persons witness or any single denominations witness. The Adventist might want to slow it down a tad till the gospel catches up to them. Reminds me of the old boy in the old testament who wanted to run before the King had a message for him to take, the old boy keeps on about it till the King looses patience and says, "Well go ahead and run!" The old boy take off running and get there all out of breath and the other Kings says, "Whats your message? The old boy says, well, theres some commotion." Adventist are running around without a message!All thats going on in their churches is a commotion! River (Message edited by river on February 02, 2012) | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 531 Registered: 2-2010 |
Jeremy, wouldn't you say that is more about the order of events than our hastening the coming of Jesus? My mom was recently involved in the IHOP stuff and they believe that if they pray hard enough Jesus will return sooner. They get it from the text, "The Spirit and the bride say, 'come'". I'm trying to figure out if this idea comes from a cocktail of her other experiences or if SDA'ism teaches that our evangelizing the 3 angels message will bring Jesus sooner. Thanks for the text. I knew I'd heard it before but reading it in the middle of the night used to claim that we hasten the Lords coming made me quite suspicious! | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 532 Registered: 2-2010 |
River, love the UPS example. ;) | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 827 Registered: 5-2002  |
Is this what you are referring to? "So now, before the coming of the Son of man, the everlasting gospel is to be preached “to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.” Revelation 14:6, 14. God “hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world.” Acts 17:31. Christ tells us when that day shall be ushered in. He does not say that all the world will be converted, but that “this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” By giving the gospel to the world it is in our power to hasten our Lord’s return. We are not only to look for but to hasten the coming of the day of God. 2 Peter 3:12, margin. Had the church of Christ done her appointed work as the Lord ordained, the whole world would before this have been warned, and the Lord Jesus would have come to our earth in power and great glory." Ellen G. White, Maranatha, Page 19 Notice she wrote that if the church (of course meaning SDA in context) had done its work Jesus would have already come over 100 years ago! | ||
| Truman Registered user Username: Truman Post Number: 36 Registered: 1-2012 |
Well yes, if the SDA flock in the 1800's would have just poured all their money into Ellen's books, and distributed them throughout the world, the 2nd Coming would have already occurred... Ooops, but didn't she say Jesus shut the door in 1844 and began rummaging through our sins (no hope if we weren't born yet)? So the work here was already finished, it was just a matter of how long it took Jesus to complete His Investigative Judgment. Oh...but she changed that later (after the world didn't end right away). Got it. So as soon as Jesus finishes that IJ work...even though He is God, it still takes a while... It sounds comical, but unfortunately it's a real tragedy. The whole "uniqueness" of the SDA message is built on diminishing Jesus' work and gospel: 1. 1843/44: First, repeatedly going against God's instruction to not set "dates, times..." for His coming, since no one but God knows. Second, turning the date into an unbiblical start of true believers being judged - something that insults and diminishes Jesus' death and resurrection. 2. The Sabbath: Yes, we are still under The Law - especially the ceremonial one - as THE mark, and final test, of true believers...oh, but we are saved by grace alone. Seriously? 3. Time of Trouble / Probation: True believers no longer need, or have access to, Jesus. They must have attained perfection before the time of trouble to endure their final test. 4. Health Message: "Coffee and tea are sins." "The smoke of tobacco will not enter Heaven." (I can't argue with that one, but then, neither will Fri-Chik.) Trying to attach salvation and eternal impact to personal diet choices. How many New Testament texts must be ignored to buy into this? I would love to see a debate between Ellen and Paul. (By the way, being healthy is great, and hopefully something we all desire...but that's a whole different subject.) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7684 Registered: 9-2006 |
Comically tragic, but I still needed that smile today Truman. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2395 Registered: 7-2007 |
Truman; concerning number 2; when I was an Adventist, I went round and round about that one. Thinking: "Yes, we are saved by grace." "But if we don't keep the Sabbath, we'll be lost." Yes, we are saved by grace." "If we don't overcome drinking coffee, we'll be lost." Despite all that, I still didn't have "cognitive dissonance" at that time. I just kept trying to make it fit, figuring that I just didn't understand it all. | ||
| Truman Registered user Username: Truman Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2012 |
Yeah, you have to be a theological Cirque du Soleil acrobat to explain the SDA "grace alone, but..." position. It never made sense to me, growing up, because the real explanation was more like... SDA Pastor: "Jesus gives you the possibility of being saved, if you first accept it and then obey The Law after being born again." Confused kid: "Huh? I thought it was righteousness by faith?" SDA Pastor: "Oh, right. It's righteousness by faith, because you are obeying The Law through faith in Jesus. You can't do it alone, but He will help you. Without keeping The Law though, you won't be saved." Confused kid: "So I'll be saved if I keep The Law?" SDA Pastor: "Uh no, you're not saved by keeping The Law, only by grace." Confused kid: "Huh?" SDA Pastor: "Yes well, the 'grace' part is that He gives you the opportunity by forgiving you, but then you have to obey The Law from that point on." Confused kid: "Has anyone ever obeyed The Law perfectly 'from that point on'?" SDA Pastor: "Uhh...not that we know of, but...some semi-conscious seniors in nursing homes may be keeping The Law now. And Ellen White tells us that the 144,000 who go through the 'Time of Trouble' will keep The Law perfectly." Confused kid: "Why only them?" SDA Pastor: "Well, that's us. We are the 'remnant' church that received the 'new light' to enable us to keep The Law perfectly. And when probation closes, we won't have access to Jesus until the 2nd Coming. The time of trouble will be here any minute now (glancing at watch)." Confused kid: "I thought you said we could only keep The Law through faith in Jesus, because he helps us." SDA Pastor: "Maybe that's enough for one session-" Confused kid: "So are you keeping The Law perfectly now?" SDA Pastor: "Whew, look at the time! Say kid, it's been a real treat bringing you closer to the truth. Let's bow our heads before I hit the road." | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 309 Registered: 10-2003 |
LOL!! at Truman.... the smoke of .... Fri-Chik will not enter heaven ...... ;) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9619 Registered: 3-2004  |
LOL! Truman. You and River write good stories. Diana | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1803 Registered: 12-2007  |
Funny and sad at the same time... cause its really how they think..... and we used to... how could we have been so blind.... and how can they still be ?!Thank you Lord for delivering us from the deception... and please bring out the rest. | ||
| Katarain Registered user Username: Katarain Post Number: 56 Registered: 1-2012 |
Fri-chik is awesome. Slice it up with some sliced napa cabbage, mayo, soy sauce, and chinese noodles. YUM! And I am in no way a vegetarian. I still eat some vegetarian foods, just because I like them. Or if they're on sale and end up being cheaper per pound than organic meat. Truman's description of the grace, but... position is exactly right! | ||
| Kelleigh Registered user Username: Kelleigh Post Number: 366 Registered: 7-2011  |
I had Fri-chik for the first time last weekend. An sda friend made some for me. I think it must be new in my country? Yum! | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1807 Registered: 12-2007 |
I always thought fri chick tasted like little sponges with gravy on them. just one step up from tender bits..... like chewing a cross between clay and silly putty. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2410 Registered: 7-2007 |
The last time I tried Fri-Chik was several years ago. I remember that it tasted good, though. Not as good as bacon of course! BTW, why do they make "Wham" that's supposed to taste like an "unclean" meat? I can see why they fake "clean" meat. Why would they fake "unclean" meat? (Message edited by Asurprise on February 05, 2012) | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1813 Registered: 12-2007 |
"Why would they fake "unclean" meat? " Maybe so those who cannot have it will not "lust" for it... ? I have tried wham. it is nasty  think smokey sweetened semi compressed sawdust. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2413 Registered: 7-2007 |
Eeewwwwwwwwwwww! That does sound gross! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7700 Registered: 9-2006 |
I had a little fun with SDA food writing 'The Underlings' I wrote it as a spoof. I don't think any one but me appreciates my weird sense of humor though. You gotta be weird when you mix spoof with a touch of Stephen King. River |
