| Author | Message | ||
| Jody Registered user Username: Jody Post Number: 103 Registered: 7-2007 |
I am just posting to start a discusiion about Micheal the Arch Angel. Why do Adventists insist this is Jesus? | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 729 Registered: 7-2004  |
Besides the fact that EGW says so, it relates back to the Great Controversy heresy. Michael is the one leading the war in heaven against Satan. The Great Controversy requires that Jesus be the primary One doing battle with Satan. Therefore Michael has to equal Jesus for SDA theology to hold together. | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 503 Registered: 4-2007 |
After all, if Jesus was just the archangel Michael-a created being-then he was not actually God, from which they get that awful 'Jesus could have failed' and 'Jesus our example' garbage. "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. Daniel 10:13 So, just how many 'Son of God' are there? Makes my blood boil (Message edited by jonvil on March 03, 2011) | ||
| Jody Registered user Username: Jody Post Number: 104 Registered: 7-2007 |
How do we explain the fact that the old testameant refers to Jesus as "the angel of the Lord" but we insist that callin him Micheal the Arch angel is wrong? | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 873 Registered: 7-2008  |
The word "angel" can be translated "messenger". Does that help this discussion any?? ....Animal | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1728 Registered: 7-2007 |
Jody; It was Daniel 10:13 which says that Michael is "one of the chief princes"that was the very first thing that started me to wondering if perhaps I ought to look into my beliefs further. (Before that I was so certain that the SDA church was the one true church.) Revelation mentions Jesus a few times and Michael a few times. It wouldn't make sense for the same writer (and the same book and sometimes even the same chapter) to refer to the same Person by two different names. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12311 Registered: 12-2003  |
Jody, the OT angel of the Lord accepted worship, as demonstrated when Samson's parents offered Him a sacrifice, and fire came from heaven, consumed it, the Angel of the Lord rose up from them, and Manoah said, "We shall surely die, for we have seen God" (Judges 13:22). Also, the angel of the Lord is the angel of the Lord--as in the only one. In Jude, Michael the archangel contends with satan for Moses' body. Michael does not rebuke satan but says, "The Lord rebuke you" (Jude 9). Jesus, however, rebuked demons directly. He didn't defer to "the Lord", for He was the Lord. Michael, on the other hand, is merely ONE of the chief princes, as Jonvil said above. Michael is clearly said to be an angel, and he dares not direct a "blasphemous" rebuke to Satan directly. Hebrews 1 explains how Jesus is greater than the angels. The fact that He was called the Angel of the Lord as the pre-incarnate Christ is likely more about the way He manifested Himself than anything. His behavior, however, revealed His identity as deity. Colleen |
