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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12233 Registered: 12-2003  |
I'm working on the third installment of the Talbot article which will appear in the Jan/Feb/March issue of Proclamation. He quotes EGW thus:
Compare her quote with John 1:1-5
Do you see a problem here? According to EGW, the Sabbath is the light that contrasts with the darkness. According to Scripture, the Lord Jesus is the Light that shines in the darkness. No matter how they phrase it, Adventists replace worship of the Lord Jesus with their worship of the Sabbath. Oh, they will never say they "worship" the Sabbath. But all of the internal language of Adventism places the Sabbath in the position of honor that only the Lord Jesus rightfully can hold. Colleen | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 1114 Registered: 7-2005  |
Right, Colleen. I remember early in our marriage, when hubby and I used to pray together, we would get down on our knees together beside the bed and start and end the sabbath. Hubby would always pray that our loved ones would come to the truth of the sabbath. I always felt uneasy about that, because I wanted them to be brought to the truth of Jesus. After we would finish praying, sometimes I would gently, sweetly tell him I would rather ask God to bring our loved ones to Jesus and leave it up to Him to guide them about which day or days they should worship Him. I guess that's why we don't pray together any more. How can two pray together, except they be agreed? (Message edited by honestwitness on February 03, 2011) | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 1115 Registered: 7-2005 |
What bothers me, in reading this quote from The Great Controversy, is that I read that book early in my time as an Adventist and couldn't see past the religious-sounding language to realize EGW was actually dimishing Christ, rather than magnifying Him. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7140 Registered: 9-2006  |
I order a lot of parts from internet websites and most retail websites are legitimate retail businesses, even the ones who have a very small business that is run out of their home. I began to use the internet back about ’95 and I had never had problems before and due to that I let down my guard. I recently ordered a part that came too 115.00, I received order confirmation by e-mail and waited for the e-mail which would give my UPS tracking number. I became concerned as the days passed and no tracking number was sent. I called the ‘Company’ and asked about my order; they assured me It would be shipped in 3 days time. Since so long a time had passed, I knew that something was not ‘normal’, because one thing companies are judged by nowadays is prompt shipping. I typed the companies name into google followed by a question mark, and had a sinking feeling as the results came back, the man has a police record, a bad record with the BBS, and many, many complaints from various people who got cheated by this man. I have to face the fact that I may not be able to recover the 115.00 or the part, plus the fact of delays in getting the part and not excluding the fact that the part is now 230.00 or more. I have no patience for crooks, cheats or thieves and will not give them a free pass. So why should I give a person who propagates false doctrine such as Adventism a pass? I think in the end, many will realize with a sinking feeling they’ve been had by the slick cover Adventism puts fourth, when it is too late to do anything about it. I think many people have struck a deal with Adventism to their later dismay and disappointment. Not giving them a pass has nothing to do with forgiveness or resentment, first you get the thieves hand out of your pocket. River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12235 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes, I agree. Honestwitness, I have the same reaction you have when I read quotes from Great Controversy now. In fact, I had to read that quote above in the context of Talbot's article in order not to "glaze over" and miss what it really said. I, too, used to read EGWs religious-sounding language and think she was pious and that she exalted Jesus. At the same time, I had a very hard time concentrating when I read her. It was just so much verbiage, pious and exalted-sounding, and it was really hard to actually realize what she was saying. On top of all that, I had the "great controversy worldview" firmly shaping my understanding of reality from the beginning of my life. I had no frame of reference from which to evaluate her stuff or compare it with Scripture...which I believed "supported her" and which was also very hard to understand! Wow. It was all inside-out... Colleen | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 493 Registered: 4-2007 |
"I had a very hard time concentrating when I read her" Boy, is THAT a fact!! More times than I can remember I tried to read Steps to Christ (it was so highly praised that as an Adventist I really wanted to read it). I could never get further than the first few pages and it seemed like my brain would shut down, I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. Looking back, with 20/20 hindsight, the only explanation I can find is that it was the work of God. | ||
| Mkfound Registered user Username: Mkfound Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2011 |
Yes, as a matter of fact, just as I was reading that quote there (where Colleen quoted EGW), instead of the words sounding in my head--well, the first 2-3 words did, and then the rest I could hear was "blah blah blah blah." I used to always think something was wrong with me. Why did I find it so eye-closing <-- as in wanting to fall asleep, and yet other Adventists praised her books. It's almost like you are lulled to sleep spiritually, and then while you are falling asleep, your brain is still absorbing the information, and then indoctrination?? I don't know--just came up with the theory at the moment. What I could stay awake reading were the testimonies and different letters. But Great Controversy and other 'story' books just put me to sleep. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8962 Registered: 3-2004  |
I read Great Controversy and DoA in college. After that I was not able to read them. I did take a seminar at our church in Costa Mesa about the testimonies, but never read them after that. GC scared the hell out of me and I could not read it again. That is also the same reason I could not read all the prophets in the OT, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiaha(sp), and all the others. Because I had been taught the sdas were spiritual Israel I thought that everything that happened to them would happen in some way to me. SOO, I just quit reading the Bible for more than 25 years. Diana L ps You notice I never said anything about reading the NT. It was the OT that was important. That was what I was taught. (Message edited by Flyinglady on February 03, 2011) | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2009  |
Oh man. Try getting a boxed set of the big ones with personal notes from your Pastor and father. And then explaining not barely reading two pages. Twas a very interesting conversation that. | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 994 Registered: 2-2008  |
"It speaks of hope and joy to the faithful..." That is a concise statement of what the weekly sabbath means to an adventist. "Hope" and "Joy". vivian | ||
| Alison1 Registered user Username: Alison1 Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2010 |
You know what? I had a hard time reading Ellen White's material. Not only would I get sleepy from reading, but alot of times the material would fly right over my head with lots of questions and wondering what the heck is she trying to say here. Then on top of all of that when I discovered that she borrowed about 75%, maybe more, of her material from other writers I was shocked and devestated and angry too. But as I look back, I realize how could she have found the time to write all the material that she wrote. I realized that she didn't. Her secretaries did all the work. And if anyone knows a really good secretary is like a good English teacher. It's not possible for someone who has a 3rd grade education to sound like a college graduate in their writing. And the material that was borrowed was borrowed from various writers who were educated and knew what they were writing about. Ellen White out rightly pretended to be someone that she was not and deceived many people and hurt many more along the way. Why would someone go that far to do something like that? And quite frankly this saddens me and hurts as well. I'm just glad that I was able to get away from Adventism when I did. | ||
| Wiredog Registered user Username: Wiredog Post Number: 91 Registered: 8-2010  |
Since the SDA Institution acknowledges EGW sourced (viz., copied) a large amount of material from others (OK if back then her kind of stealing was not called plagerism) why does it not consider the ORIGINAL sources of the material equally as "inspired"? After all, if EGW was simply "stitching" the works together for presentation doesn't that make the Original Writers the ones that were truly given the light and not EGW? That means the SDA Institution has many more prophets not just their single copyist? Fits well into their view that the "Remnant must have at least one (1) prophet,right? | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1681 Registered: 7-2007 |
The thing that gets me is that the SDAs claim that the Seal of God is the Sabbath. Look what the Bible says is the Seal, or rather Who: "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory." Ephesians 1:13-14 And also the fact that the Sabbath isn't Sunday, it's Jesus now!!!  (Colossians 2:16-17) |
