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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12168 Registered: 12-2003  |
I'm sharing a news story that Richard ran across tonight. Both the Adventists and the Catholics have requested permission of the city government in their city in Maryland to expand their hospitals. The Catholics were granted permission—but the Adventists have begun a campaign to argue against the Catholics being able to expand. Their reasons? Well, read the story...but notice that the reasons are all about reproductive rights. The Adventists say the Catholics' refusal to offer certain reproductive rights makes them out of compliance with public health priorities. Notice that the Adventists cite the Catholics' refusal to do abortions as one of the ways they are out of public health compliance. If anyone had doubts about whether or not Adventist hospitals do abortions, this news story should put that doubt to rest: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/213334.php Colleen | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 254 Registered: 5-2009 |
But SDAs cannot bear arms during war. . .Hmmm. A woman can (& has a 'right' to) kill the life in her body, but a man cannot protect his country, his fellow mankind, or himself. The bottom line is the bottom line. What's the saying: Follow the money. SDAs are protecting their $$ turf here too. Something is wrong with this thinking. J9 | ||
| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 314 Registered: 7-2010 |
Thank you Colleen (and Richard), I emailed a link from the Washington Post article linked in the above article, to my Pastor. He's been talking about those who are "Pro Choice" rather than "Pro Life" in the political arena. There is a website called "VoteYourFaith" that helps expose the politicians that are pro choice. Here's the link: http://www.voteyourfaith.org/ The bottom line is, as J9 put it, the bottom line. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1208 Registered: 12-2007 |
Sounds like a case of sour grapes on the Adventist part... I think they should be ashamed for trying to prevent another hospital from expanding just because it is a Catholic hospital. | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 478 Registered: 4-2007 |
Clipped from the news article "According to the Post, reproductive-rights supporters nationwide have raised concerns about the religious directives, which forbid Catholic hospitals from providing services the church considers morally wrong, such as abortion, fertility treatments, tubal ligation and hormonal contraception. Several women's rights groups have said that because of the directives, Holy Cross's expansion proposal would undermine public health priorities, the Post reports." Big $urpri$e, Adventist$ oppo$e a moral $tance. Being a religion that has historically rejected the Gospel they are rife with double standards, so it's not surprising that they rationalize embracing the immorality of abortions for profit by leaning on man's law as justification, which is what, in effect, they are doing in their protest. John Douglas | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2371 Registered: 5-2007  |
John, You have a way with word$.  Fearless Phil | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 2024 Registered: 10-2002  |
I had my appendix taken out at Holy Cross, an emergency operation, and spent some time recouperating there. I think I visited the emergency room a couple other times as well, but what for I can't remember. Holy Cross Hospital is literally a hop-skip-and-a-jump (or a 10 minute walk through the park) from my childhood home of 20 years. Overlooking I-495, the side of the hospital past the parking garage had this great grassy hill that plunged downward, which was the absolute BEST place to spend a snowy day on sledding! Of course, I was born at Washington Adventist Hospital, but back then it was called "Washington Sanitarium" and so I get a kick out of telling people I was born in a sanitarium.  All that aside, what J9 said is very true. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7060 Registered: 9-2006  |
That explains it Ramone. | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 751 Registered: 1-2007 |
This is absolutely crazy the excuse the sda hospital is using to prevent the catholic hosiptal from expanding. Hospitals just do not cow-tow to reproductions. They have a lot of other medical problems to deal with. There are other hospitals to take care of abortions, etc. Catholic women for years have gone to other hospitals for abortions, birth control, etc and I do not know or heard of any catholic who was excommunicated for doing it. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1634 Registered: 7-2007 |
When I was an Adventist, I would have been shocked to learn that Adventist hospitals performed abortions. I learned that the SDA church was neutral toward abortion, but I merely thought that that was a mistake by the church to have that attitude. As for myself, I felt that abortion was murder (and I still do), but that didn't give me cognitive dissonance about the church. Neither did charging a REALLY high price for vegetarian "meats," or a high price for the books from the Adventist Book Center - paperback books that came apart as you read them. Do they still make paperback books like that? One could get paperback books for the same price (or less?) from a secular bookstore that didn't crack into pieces as you read them. All that didn't give me cognitive dissonance. I just thought the SDA church was making a mistake. It was years later that the Lord brought me out through a series of miracles and a friend. I was CERTAIN that the friend would soon learn the "truth" of the SDA church and embrace Ellen White. But it didn't happen that way. Instead I learned that the SDA church was a false church and it came as a total surprise to me! (Hence the name "Asurprise.") Dianne | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1635 Registered: 7-2007 |
I'm not sure, but I think perhaps the church has that position on abortion they believe that a baby isn't really a human being until he/she draws their first breath???? I'm not really sure because I never looked into that particular doctrine when I was an Adventist. I had always felt that a baby, born or not; was fully human. | ||
| Bobj Registered user Username: Bobj Post Number: 573 Registered: 1-2006  |
I appreciate the Catholic position opposing abortions. Three abortions every minute, 180 abortions an hour in our country, 45 million and counting. If I ever join a church again it will be one that takes a stand on abortion. Bob | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 872 Registered: 7-2004 |
One of my staunchest sda facebook friends is posting about being in favor of gun control. How can you do that while not being allowing to serve in the army? Why did the church say the members were not to carry guns in war? Did ellen say not to and where did she say that? | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 258 Registered: 5-2009 |
Asurprise wrote: I'm not sure, but I think perhaps the church has that position on abortion they believe that a baby isn't really a human being until he/she draws their first breath???? ********************************** Dianne, I think that is what idea I had although I don't think I ever heard it articulated by anyone in the denomination. I think because they teach that Adam did not become a living soul until God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, then that would be a natural extension of that thinking wouldn't it? That is why I was amazed in college when my SDA theology major boyfriend did a research paper on the Catholic teaching of the SANCTITY of LIFE which was the foundation of the catholic position on abortion AND on birth control. I had NO IDEA of the SANCTITY OF LIFE as an SDA. But it was unconscious, rather than overt teaching - in my experience. J9 | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7064 Registered: 9-2006 |
I saw an interesting and sad testimony the other day, a young woman had an abortion, yet a month later they told her she was still pregnant. Turns out the woman was bearing twins and story was told by the daughter who carries a pair of little baby shoes to signify her unborn twin. She was one of the very few survivors of an abortion. R | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1211 Registered: 12-2007 |
"Adam did not become a living soul until God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, then that would be a natural extension of that thinking wouldn't it? " Are they really so blind that they cant see a very plain difference ? Adam was formed as an adult from the dust of the ground ,,, he was not formed or carried in a womb for nine months wiggling and kicking and letting his Mom know he was there and very much alive !!! the little hearts beat and they wiggle and squirm around, suck their thumbs, etc,,, but not "alive" until born and drawing in that first breath ???? ridiculous ! | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1212 Registered: 12-2007 |
There is none so blind as he who WILL not see ! | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1639 Registered: 7-2007 |
Adventists take the word "pneuma," translated "spirit," and say that means "air." They use examples like pneumonia, and pneumatic, etc. to "show that spirit means air." But they're not really READING the Bible! For example, I looked up 1st Corinthians 2:11 and also looked in my Greek/English New Testament. Both of the words "spirit" and "Spirit" come from the Greek "pneuma". "For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God." 1st Corinthians 2:11 In effect, Adventists are calling the Holy Spirit the "Holy Breath!" That little Beginning Greek class that I audited really came in handy! (In class, we learned the sounds of the various letters. The text book has the letters and their sounds written out. I got an Interlinear Greek/English New Testament that shows the English translation under each Greek word.) Even a novice could look up the Greek letters and their sounds in my textbook ("Greek for the Rest of Us" by William D. Mounce) and then look at the Greek letters in the Greek/English New Testament. The word translated "spirit" even has the same number of letters as "pneuma" - p-n-e-u-m-a. Of course I looked in the books that I own, but I found something on the internet.... http://biblos.com/1_corinthians/2-11.htm | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1640 Registered: 7-2007 |
I would like to add that a person is in 1st Thessalonians 5:23 "...spirit, soul and body..." So the unborn baby is ALL of these things!!! Dianne P.S. I'll have to remember to start a whole 'nother thread on this sometime! | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1644 Registered: 7-2007 |
Here's a website that shows the Greek alphabet with English sounds: http://www.ibiblio.org/koine/greek/lessons/alphabet.html And here's another: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/greek.htm | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1645 Registered: 7-2007 |
Mormons believe that the Bible is true "in so far as it's been translated correctly" and Adventists believe that they have to "understand" the Bible through Ellen White. Despite the Dead Sea Scrolls and the many manuscripts that match up with each other - which prove the Bible to be true, Mormons still believe Joseph Smith. And in the same way, even though the Bible and Ellen White clash, and even though Adventists "BELIEVE" the Bible, they still believe that Ellen White is true and that she "explains" it. So they therefore take her "interpretation" of it. That actually puts them "in the same boat." | ||
| Alison1 Registered user Username: Alison1 Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2010 |
Oh and don't forget what the Jehovah's Witnesses do to the Bible. They totally rewrite it and then accept the interpretation of the Bible based upon the Governing Body of the Watchtower. |
