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| Richardtinker Board Administrator Username: Richardtinker Post Number: 122 Registered: 4-1999  |
The new Proclamation is now available for downloading as a PDF. I don't have the HTML (web version) finished, yet. Just go to the current issue and click on "DOWNLOAD PDF VERSION" on the left under the picture of the cover. This issue has part two of the Talbot article: "Why Seventh-day Adventism is Not Evangelical." Very confirming... The cover article is written by Gary Inrig, the senior pastor of Trinity Church, our host church. The article is a condensed version of his three-part series from the book of Jude. Awesome! An important article by Dale Ratzlaff and Verle Streifling rounds out the feature articles titled "The undivided law." The Bible and early Christianity never taught that there was a division between the "moral" and "ceremonial" laws--the law is one. Ross Cooper (RossBondReturns) tells us his testimony. Did you know that he was recently homeless? Our regular columnists Carolyn Macomber and Chris Lee offer wonderful pieces, Dale Ratzlaff answers another question, and of course, we have letters...why do we like to read letters from angry readers? May this issue glorify our Lord Jesus and help set more captives free. Richard | ||
| Pnoga Registered user Username: Pnoga Post Number: 433 Registered: 1-2007  |
OK this one response is scary and sad "I’m deeply sorry about your publication; it reminds me of the country western song, “Sittin’ At Home Diggin’ Up Bones.” I know one thing; I would not want to be in your shoes if what Adventists teach turns out to be the truth. And rest assured we are all going to know the answer to that question in a very, very short time. Here is one thing I do know. Your publication comes across as very demonic in spirit. If that is true, then you have lied to the Holy Spirit who will be sealing us very soon. I do think that you have committed the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit which at some point in the near future will dawn on your consciousness in sheer terror." The veil is so thick over this person's heart, they don't realize the evil hateful words they are writing, there is not an ounce of love in the above message, just total damnation and judgement. And to top it off the writer is not even positive that what they hold is truth "I know one thing; I would not want to be in your shoes IF what Adventists teach turns out to be the truth" So quick to condemn and judge and not even sure what they believe is truth. It is so much better to Rest in Christ and know for certain that we are saved, and to extend God's Grace, Love and Mercy to others. We will be known by the fruits, that we have love for one another. I pray that the LORD remove the veil from their hearts and shine forth His Love. Paul | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 293 Registered: 5-2009 |
Will y'all be making the Talbot piece a stand-alone PDF again? | ||
| Jody Registered user Username: Jody Post Number: 101 Registered: 7-2007 |
I have a question: If someone that owned a motel were to convert to Seventh day Adventism would they be able to rent a room to someone on fri nite or sat? If they did rent a room on fri,could anyone clean the room on sat? Or is it just a sin to own a motel if ur an Adventist? I have a couple names i would like to add to the mailing list of Proclamation Magazine. How do i go about gettin them on? Jody | ||
| Richardtinker Board Administrator Username: Richardtinker Post Number: 123 Registered: 4-1999 |
Cloudwatcher, yes, the next Talbot piece will be up soon. I have to get a mailing done today and tomorrow, and then I can get back to Proclamation. Jody, send names for the mailing list to: proclamation@gmail.com. As to that motel question: Adventists really need non-Adventists around to take care of all the Sabbath work, just like Jews need gentiles. Richard | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2009  |
Good answer Richard...but Adventists would probably dodge around the Sabbath issues by saying ..."Well we're helping these people." That's what I said when I worked at LLUMC as an Adventist. | ||
| Believer247 Registered user Username: Believer247 Post Number: 212 Registered: 3-2009 |
We had some SDA friends who ran a cabin rental business for several years. They got around the Sabbath issue by not checking anyone in on Friday nite or before sundown Sat, the people either had to pay in advance or pay when they left. And they had non SDA cleaners working for them who would do any "necessary" cleaning on Sat. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6972 Registered: 9-2006  |
When you realize how the sanctuary idea snowballed into this intricate doctrinal system involving the very atonement of Christ, you can readily see that there is something more than mere human thinking back of the entire movement. Talbot Ain't this what I been saying for four years? River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6973 Registered: 9-2006 |
My friends, this is not evangelical truth. No matter how much the Adventists protest that they teach the gospel, as long as this heresy constitutes a part of their doctrine, there is no possibility of fellowship with them in the work of Christ. Talbot. In other words, don't be going down to no snake pits to pet no snakes.  River | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1541 Registered: 3-2009 |
Thank you so much Richard and Colleen for your efforts on Proclamation. This is one magazine that I look forward to read and read from cover to cover. About the motel and Sabbath, how about if a person does not own the motel, but is a major shareholder? Would the percent of his/her shares have to be prorated to the work that can be done on Sabbath? OK, they can get around it by saying that they are helping others, how about if the business is a, let's say, gas station? Let's say that the station is owned by three people; two non-SDA, and one SDA. Would they have to close the station 1/3 of the Sabbath day? If the others decide to keep it open, would the SSA forfeit its share of profit for the Sabbath? Hmmm. Just thinking aloud. | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 957 Registered: 2-2008  |
... what about the gas, water and electricity people that keep the motel utilities up and running? Do they get sabbath off? haha! Anyway, already read the article about the "2" laws and loved it! I had a "duh" moment (which happens alot to me...). I had never thought about the Day of Atonement being more important than the weekly sabbath!! I'm telling you, the whole sacrificial system took a back seat to the 10C's. That's why in their theology, Christ takes a back seat to the Law. vivian | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1566 Registered: 7-2007 |
When I was an SDA I believed: "A PERSON IS SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH but...." I think the SDA church leadership hopes everyone will see the part about being saved by grace - that's the "hook" to get evangelicals into the church. They hope though that people won't notice the little word: "but..." until, eventually, when the people are convinced that the SDA church is the ONE TRUE CHURCH, but not right away. I would "fudge" a little when I was spreading the Adventist "gospel." I wouldn't say what church was behind the books I was passing out unless directly asked. "I'm giving away free Christian books. Would you like some?" I would say and then hand the person "Steps to Christ" and "The Great Controversy." Once when someone asked if I was saved, I said "yes" just to make him think my church was good. I was hoping that he would become an SDA. Of course, I'm sure that I asked the Lord to forgive me later for that lie, since Ellen White says that no one can say they are saved! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6981 Registered: 9-2006 |
The light of the world. These passages of scripture came to mind this morning. Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Matthew 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. I was having a discussion with some more Christians about being closet Christians and about being more vocal. I thought of the letters to the editors of Proclamation where the writers of the articles in Proclamation really gets raked over the coals. Richard asks the question, “why do we like to read letters from angry readers?” Well, why do we like to read letters from angry readers? Is it to be fascinated like as watching a bloody car wreck? Or is it that we want to gauge the impact we are having ‘out there?’ As a writer now, and having used radio for many years, feed back is important to me, I use it to gauge impact. If you are a writer, or in radio, you cannot see nor hear the audience. While it is very true we can’t be long faced ‘prophet’s’ slamming around like a bull in a china shop, the question remains of how vocal we should be. I do think we truly have little time left to get out and be a witness for Christ. Does being a partaker in Jesus love drive us to be silent while the world goes to hell in a hand basket? Or does being partakers of his love for the lost cause us to be more vocal, to be a light shining out of a dark place, to allow him to love them through us? I keep thinking of those words Colleen used a long while ago concerning her children, allowing Jesus to love them through her. Perhaps this is an important key that God wants me to get down this morning as all these thoughts go through my head and I try to bring them all together in some coherency. At times I sit here just rum dum, cannot think, and at others such as today, the thoughts come so fast I can’t keep up the pace, times when I know the Holy Spirit is speaking to my heart about something. I feel a sense of urgency, that this is not a time to be a closet Christian, not the time to reduce the impact we are having because of adversity from others who would still our voice and stifle the light we seek to bring to a lost and dying world. Those that are bound up in the cult of Adventism are part of that lost and dying world. The days grow darker, the sun is going down on the day when we will have freedom to publish a magazine such as Proclamation! The forces of evil are lining up against the Christian, and the time is coming when you can’t ride the rail, the time is coming to choose. The time has come to not run and hide in the closet because of Adversity, but to have more impact. I tried to look at the other side of the coin when I wrote, “The Day Time Ran Out” We don’t know when that day is, but one thing I am convinced of, it will surely come, It will come the day when we don’t have the opportunity to allow God to love them through us. I hate to say this, it seems like I am always getting people stirred up, and I’ve gotten a little like the old hound dog that runs under the porch howling every time any body reaches down to pick up a gravel, but I am going to say it. If you are a closet former, you are a closet Christian, and if you don’t witness to Adventists, who will? Is God dealing with you to let him love them through you? No! You cannot go in there and start bashing heads with a proverbial sledge hammer, but you cannot remain silent while they perish either. What if Richard and Colleen decided they would just pull the plug on Proclamation!? What if they just said, “Well…we get all these nasty letters, so to heck with them all, let’s just pull the plug on the whole thing, forum and all, attend our church every Sunday and be happy, no more nasty letters to deal with, no more River to deal with! It might be a happy day when I ain’t on here raising some kind of stink! I can just see it now, no more servers buzzing away over in the corner, them down at McDonalds having a Happy Meal, and no more nasty letters. They have the choice you know. So what’s got me all stirred up this morning you might ask? I don’t know, I just feel a sense of urgency to be some kind of light to the world somehow, I don’t know how, but perhaps the key is to let God love those around me through me. Happy Sunday. River | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2168 Registered: 4-2000  |
Richard, Excellent point about Adventists needing non-Adventists to do work for them on Sabbath like the Gentiles did for the Jews. I well remember when a colleague and I (while in SDA departmental leadership) ran out of gas on top of a huge bridge in eastern North Carolina after lunch on a Saturday. We were most grateful that non-Adventists sold us some gas to continue our journey--rather than dangerously spending the remainder of the "Sabbath" atop a busy two-lane bridge (smile). Dennis Fischer (Message edited by Dennis on December 12, 2010) | ||
| Richardtinker Board Administrator Username: Richardtinker Post Number: 124 Registered: 4-1999 |
The web version (HTML) of the new Proclamation is now online. Those of you that receive the printed version should be getting them during the next week. Have a great Lord's Day! If you don't currently worship with Christians, why don't you try going to church today. Richard |
