| Author | Message | ||
| Lynn Registered user Username: Lynn Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2010 |
Hello All - I haven't posted for a while, but have found that there are questions I can only bring to this forum and ask former and questioning Adventists who work so hard to speak from Biblical truth. I have found that this is the most trust worthy site to go to, to ask Adventist questions. At some point I was told that I should not buy life insurance because Ellen White did not believe in this, is it true that she said this. Same thing about saving money...that there was no point in it because of the nearing end times. I'm trying to find out if EGW did say something about these topics and if so, what was her teaching about it and does anyone know if the Bible speaks to these issues? If anyone knows... | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3512 Registered: 10-2004  |
Lynn, Here is what Ellen White said about life insurance:
Here is what the Bible says about life insurance:
 It appears from EGW's comments that she just wanted the money to go to her group and not be spent elsewhere! Jeremy P.S. Here is a list of some Bible passages which may indirectly speak to the issue of life insurance: http://www.openbible.info/topics/life_insurance (Message edited by Jeremy on December 10, 2010) | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 294 Registered: 5-2009 |
Fascinating, Jeremy. I wonder when they decided to backpedal and not take EGWs council on this? All SDA institutions offer/provide life insurance for their employees... What a joke..her angel sure knew how to proof text! | ||
| Surfy Registered user Username: Surfy Post Number: 714 Registered: 11-2007 |
"But few will realize any returns from life insurance,..." I guess they didn't have universal life back then. Actually, the idea of a birthright is very Biblical. Many, many stories come to mind. Stories like Jacob and Esau and the prodigal son come to mind. The life insurance payout is really a great "birthright" and I think it is just about the best thing you can do for your loved ones. Yeah, Ellen was right. Few will see the benefits of life insurance....but their surviving spouse and kids will be very glad someone had the forsight to get some. Surfy | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 1064 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hmmm. Even my very devoted SDA husband has life insurance. I wonder if he would drop it, if I showed him this EGW quote. I'm afraid to show it to him for that reason. But I'd like to show it to him to get his response on why he's disobeying God. Oh well. I'm going to let sleeping dogs lie. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6976 Registered: 9-2006  |
Quote: Here is what the Bible says about life insurance: quote: . You crack me up Jeremy! | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1565 Registered: 7-2007 |
Yes, Jeremy; I enjoyed that too! Cloudwatcher; even when her angel wasn't "prooftexting," he used King James English! I asked my Mormon sister why Joseph Smith used King James English and she replied that King James English is a holier language! Hmmmmm... I wonder if Joseph and Ellen got the same angel! I mean Joseph Smith died only a few months before Ellen had her first vision! Honestwitness, when I was an Adventist and I wasn't real sure whether Ellen White had written against something (such as drinking water with meals; things like that); I'd often go ahead and do it. Your husband might be very disappointed if you pointed that out to him because then he wouldn't be able to HAVE life insurance anymore without being torn up with guilt! Anyway, that was the way I was when I was an SDA. If I didn't know whether something was "bad" or not; then it was "okay." | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8839 Registered: 3-2004  |
Asurprise, I guess that Joseph's angel was unemployed until egw was born, then became her angel!!!!! Diana L | ||
| Lynn Registered user Username: Lynn Post Number: 81 Registered: 8-2010 |
Thanks everybody. Jeremy, I love to read your posts! I also read about EGW saying you should not drink water with a meal (waiting 30 minutes), in addition to not eating fruits and vegetables at the same time (which really messes up a nice salad with lettuce and tomato in it) and my personal favorite was when I was told that when you eat meat, it stays in your digestive system for 8 days and it begins to rot in your system. Can I find the food regulations in the diet of health book she wrote? Have any of you heard that when you feel hungry (because your hungry), it's only in your mind and you can't give into that lustful feeling and stick to only 2 meals a day? Trying to sift through truths or fables... | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 189 Registered: 7-2010  |
Jeremy, Thanks for a moment of great laughter! Michael | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1545 Registered: 3-2009 |
Is there really a quote that says that meat stays in the system for eight days? That you can't eat fruit and veggies together? Hec | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6979 Registered: 9-2006 |
If your meat starts to rot in your stomach,eat a box of ex-lax, I guarantee you, you will blow a hole clean through the toilet! It may not be lady like but it'll work. | ||
| Lynn Registered user Username: Lynn Post Number: 82 Registered: 8-2010 |
Hehe I wonder what EGW's view on exlax is? :-/ | ||
| Wiredog Registered user Username: Wiredog Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2010  |
I love it, Jeremy's quote from the Scripture highlights the fact the majority of SDAs focus on understanding EGW as opposed to the Scriptures. Take a look at this link from their BRI (Bible Research Institute) regarding Life Insurance. http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/Life%20Insurance.htm It is "disguised" as a discourse on show Scripture and EGW really says the same thing on life insurance. In actuality it is an defense of EGW's inconsistency, with a dash of scripture thrown in. If Adventists spent nearly as much time focusing on Soli Scriptura and IN PROPER CONTEXT, as they do in defending EGW we would all be much better off. (Message edited by wiredog on December 11, 2010) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6982 Registered: 9-2006 |
Whats amusing to me is when evangelicals get a load of what Adventism is all about! You would think someone just had a BM in their pants in the line at Safeway. (Can you say ex-lax?) But then my wife says it doesn't take much too amuse me, I cackle at Gieco commercials when they show the wood chuckin' woodchucks. My wife looks at me and says, "You are so strange." I know though, that it's you guys fault I am this way, Faf'ers have subverted me. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2170 Registered: 4-2000  |
As a devout Adventist, I also didn't believe in life insurance due to the writings of Ellen White and F. F. Schwindt. However, one evening while working with a fellow Union College student (now a physician), I learned that his father died and thereby left enough money for his college education. Since I was struggling with college costs, before the days of easy student loans, I immediately surrendered by views against life insurance. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 796 Registered: 10-2008  |
The issue of EGW's views of life insurance is one of the topics I posed on my youtube page. SDAs immediately rushed to her defense and had all kinds of excuses Here are some of the reactions Oh please. I read the article by Mrs. White. She simply spoke against it because she believed that it diverted from the Christian service we are to do on earth & that we are to use our funds to further extend the gospel. Stop grasping at straws, things were very much different in the 1800's. Her goal was to lift up Jesus & Him only, nothing else. Insurance is very much needed in this day & age, no need to explain why. God still rules over all. Article: Seventh-day Adventists and Life Insurance: Excerpt - Today's life insurance industry, heavily regulated by law and government agencies, differs in important ways from that of the late 1800s. Ellen White's counsel against investing in life insurance must be understood against the background of the practices of her times if the meaning of her words is to be properly understood. - I really think you should take my advice & put up some meaningful videos that actually teach people about the Bible or the good news of Jesus. You trying to tear down the Seventh-day Adventist Church will never work. Never. So please stop... this gospel will be preached into all the world. Haha, you're comical. Partially right tho. Jesus is the Truth, the Life, & the Way. The Bible says though that in the last days God will pour out His spirit. Also, EGW lifted up the living water only, that was her only purpose. Jesus said beware of false prophets, not all prophets. I've read & EGW passed the tests of a prophet w/ flying colours and the Spirit of Prophecy is one of the identfying marks of the remnant Church As Arsenio used to say "things that make you go hmmmm" |
