| Author | Message | ||
| Wiredog Registered user Username: Wiredog Post Number: 64 Registered: 8-2010  |
Being a musician (instrumentalist) I am a believer that Hymns are critical part in learning and reinforcing correct doctrine. In becoming a Christian there were songs I listened to that spoke to me and along with Scripture were a large part of my conversion. Three such hymns were by Keith & Kristyn Getty-- In Christ Alone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLy8ksqGf9w By Faith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNIx__JGLGs The Power of the Cross http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqyAaG91xM I'd be interested in hearing of other Hymns that helped others! | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 693 Registered: 5-2009 |
These are SO beautiful and special. I was introduced to them at the first FAF weekend I attended-- I have to say, even though I might not explain it well, that a huge surprise on becoming a Christian, was the fact that songs like these are not done as "performances" by "entertainers" at church--they are actual worship experiences that we all participate in...in my experience in the sda church, it had more a flavor of so many fine musicians being kind of celebrities...don't know if this is making sense, but it's a profound difference. Or maybe it was just me  ! Thank you, WD, for posting these. They are so "alive"! One that I am also enjoying is "Mary Did You Know?" written by Mark Lowry--what beautiful lyrics. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6954 Registered: 9-2006  |
I love that song NowIsee, I played it on my guitar as solo for my church. I fooled with the song until I developed a rather unconventional way of belting it out to where there was a solid wall of sound coming from the guitar. Now my guitar sits in there gathering dust, a pity really. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8829 Registered: 3-2004  |
I heard and have half learned so many new songs since leaving adventism. My all time favorite is Amazing Grace. Diana L ps River you have multiple talents. Get that guitar out again. I have a guitar also, which is gathering dust. | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 181 Registered: 7-2010  |
Nowisee, I've dealt with a handful of "professional" SDA musicians from behind the sound console. Your "celebrity" assessment is more accurate than you know. They seem all nice when performing on stage, but their egos off stage... yikes! Oh the stories that I could tell... Michael | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1559 Registered: 7-2007 |
There's a song that's special to me, but I can't think of the name of it. It was on a "Praise" album. I heard the song AFTER leaving the SDA church and the phrase in the song that means so much is: "...and though I wasn't looking, You were after me..." You see, I wasn't looking. I thought I was in the ONE TRUE CHURCH and it took a series of miracles by God to bring me out! Hence the username, Asurprise! Dianne | ||
| U2bsda Registered user Username: U2bsda Post Number: 698 Registered: 11-2004 |
I love Before the Throne of God Above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BwPIgcAvA Hark the Herald Angels Sing and Amazing Grace are winners in my book as well. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1560 Registered: 7-2007 |
Here's that song I mentioned, but a little different arrangement.... ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM_1cm6r9Tc | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1561 Registered: 7-2007 |
Here's another song that tells about the veil that is removed in Jesus whenever someone turns to the Lord - whether they're coming out of Adventism, Judaism, Mormonism, Catholicism, Islam, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq1zKUi4itM | ||
| Blessed Registered user Username: Blessed Post Number: 406 Registered: 1-2007 |
The first time I heard Before The Throne Above was actually in California at an FAF Friday night Bible Study. I live in Canada and my husband and I had come down to California for a holiday and met up with Richard and Colleen at Trinity on the Sunday and then came for the study on Friday night. The words are so comforting for a former SDA because it speaks of Whose we are in Christ. It was a few years later that I reconnected with that song and it definitely is one of my favorites. | ||
| Angelcat Registered user Username: Angelcat Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hmm, not sure if I've learned any new songs since leaving, but a lot of songs I already knew now have new meaning. They aren't just words anymore, yanno? I so agree about hte clebrity staus thing. My best adventist frend is a very talented singer, and she was in the "in" group because of it. I got to be friends with her becasue I sang in the ladies singing group she led. So I was "tolerated" by the in group. She was very much a celebrity in the church, and i was so happy that someone like her would deign to be friends with me. I still really miss her and am very sad she doesn't really want to see or talk to me anymore. | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 185 Registered: 7-2010 |
Songs have entirely changed meaning since leaving! The same songs have new meaning. I thought I got meaning (sometimes even deep meaning) out of them, but in reality I missed the point entirely! It is as though something was always hidden in the songs that I could not see from behind the veil. What once had deep meaning to me is shallow in comparison with the depth that I now see! Michael | ||
| Believer247 Registered user Username: Believer247 Post Number: 210 Registered: 3-2009 |
Yes, so many hymns have an entirely new meaning now: "Power in the Blood", Amazing Grace", "Redeemed, How I love to Proclaim It", " I Will Sing of My Redeemer". New hymns I've learned since leaving: "He Set Me Free", "Are You Washed in the Blood?". | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 696 Registered: 5-2009 |
I love "Mighty to Save"! | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 958 Registered: 2-2008  |
I love all these songs!!! They have all taken on a new life of their own in me. I can hardly sing through "Turn your eyes upon Jesus" without tears. One song that speaks so loudly to me is "Holy" by Nicole Nordeman. When you read her words, you will think that she must have come out of adventism also!!
"How many half truths did I bear witness to, till the proof was disproved in the end?" ... she's heard of egw! ;) Here is the link to her performance of this song on You Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHtgScGUGs vivian | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 830 Registered: 7-2008  |
I got a question..... If Adventists dont believe in once saved always saved and dont think one should say" they are saved",...How are they able to sing the old gospel hymn BLESSED ASSURANCE,JESUS IS MINE". Doesnt make any sense to me. Animal | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 959 Registered: 2-2008 |
Ha Animal! I've wondered the same thing about the song "in Christ alone." How can they sing that if they believe they have to keep the 10C's in order to have their sins blotted out. vivian | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 707 Registered: 5-2009 |
I never heard "In Christ Alone" at an sda church! | ||
| Believer247 Registered user Username: Believer247 Post Number: 213 Registered: 3-2009 |
I never heard "In Christ Alone" at an sda church either, Nowisee. I just recently heard it at the Baptist church we attend now. Animal, I played and sang Blessed Assurance many times in the sda church but it was just words, they really didn't mean anything then. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1579 Registered: 7-2007 |
As an Adventist, I enjoyed the song, "Blessed Assurance." I just kept trying to have that blessed assurance! I figured that if I "understood" the Adventist doctrines right and/or "did" it right, then I would have the assurance! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12083 Registered: 12-2003  |
Today we attended an Adventist funeral; it was Richard's old boss at LLUSD. He was a convert to Adventism, and I believe he did know Jesus. His wife, however, is very Adventist (as he was as well). Anyway, at the funeral the SDA pastor actually said it: he said our friend had been created by Jesus, and some day Jesus would re-create him. Yes, he said the "RE-CREATE" word! At the end of the service Marvin Ponder sang "It Is Well With My Soul". The song was wonderful—to me—but it was preceded with the admonition to persevere and overcome so we will know that "It is well with my soul". Of course, the clear words of the song are meaningless from an SDA perspective. But they DO state the shocking truth of security! Colleen | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 234 Registered: 5-2009 |
Colleen, I am just wondering if Marvin sang 4 stanzas of "It Is Well with my soul" or just the 3 in the SDA hymnal? The hymnal leaves out stanza 2 which specifically states our assurance in Jesus who shed His own blood for our souls. That omission was my shocking discovery this spring that made me aware of the theology of hymns - & how they are manipulated by SDAs. J9 | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 854 Registered: 7-2004 |
Yes, my favorite stanza! My sin, oh, the bliss of this glorious thought! My sin, not in part but the whole, Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more, Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul! For the new members, here's a beautiful video of that song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYP--c2LTfg | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 191 Registered: 7-2010 |
Ok... I just had to look up the second stanza... I never knew there was another one. Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come, Let this blest assurance control, That Christ has regarded my helpless estate, And hath shed His own blood for my soul. Even without the omitted verse... the one which Bb quoted (which is in the SDA hymnal) means something completely different to me now than when I used to sing it. Michael | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 236 Registered: 5-2009 |
Can you believe that Michael? There was no reason for that verse to be left out - there are hymns with 6 stanzas printed in them in the hymnal. It was a deliberate omission. WHY would they leave THAT verse out of all verses? That is telling. In an earlier post I shared how I broke down & sobbed my way through this hymn when I got all the verses to it. The group 4Him does a fabulous rendition of it to a contemporary tune. It has always been my favorite hymn & I didn't think anyone could 'mess' with it & not ruin it for me! But their version is awesome. BOTH tunes are great. I still get chills hearing it, and reading the words again. J9 | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 192 Registered: 7-2010 |
In all fairness, I never heard that verse on any of the non-SDA CDs I have either. I will say it looks very suspicious though, especially since a precedent exists for these sort of edits. Michael | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 855 Registered: 7-2004 |
Oh I thought that was the one they left out! How could sda's put "my sin was nailed to the cross"?! I guess they overlooked that. Because my sda mother always says Sunday keepers like to say the law was nailed to the cross and how wrong they are. But it is very strange to me that they would leave out the one they did as if they can't admit that shed blood equals being made clean! I just found the 4Him version. It is awesome!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr6bZKm_M5o I actually like when they remake the old hymns. Selah does a lot of good ones. | ||
| Alison1 Registered user Username: Alison1 Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2010 |
The song "In Christ Alone" is one of my many favorite songs. You can usually hear this song on Christian music stations. I can get it through Cornerstone Radio Station out of Port Orange, FL. They have a variety of ministries that program their services on the radio station. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2171 Registered: 4-2000  |
Colleen, Marvin Ponder was a fellow student at Union College in the 1960s, and he later served as the campus chaplain. It appeared to many Adventists that his call to LLU involved packing family suitcases while asking for God's direction (smile). He and Herman Harp were a great musical team stemming from the former Southwestern Junior College in Keene, Texas. Due to Southwestern Adventist University still being a junior college in the 1960s, it brought the upper classmen to Union College. I noticed the death announcement of N. C. Wilson, age 90, on Adventist News Network this week. Interestingly, one of the comments to the news release mentioned that Wilson is "awaiting" the resurrection. They didn't realize that something nonexistent doesn't "await" anything. Thus, it sounds like Elder Wilson's state in death is not described in the official teachings of the SDA Church. Sylvia and I often reminisce of having sung some excellent Christian songs/hymns while growing up as Adventists. Although in complete contradiction to SDA dogma, these Christian songs (e.g., "It is well with my soul," "Blessed Assurance, Jesus in mine," etc.) were a great inspiration to us amidst the legalism inherent in Adventism. Dennis Fischer |
