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| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 194 Registered: 9-2006 |
For a little late night Halloween enjoyment, sing the following to the chorus of “Lookin’ for Love,” by Waylon Jennings: Lookin’ for Lard in all the wrong places, Lookin’ for Lard and animal faces, Seachin’ for lies, lookin’ for traces Of what I’m dreading of… Hoping to find somethin’ that’s kosher, God bless the day I discover, another meal, Lookin’ for Lard… By Sharon and Martin Carey | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2642 Registered: 8-2004  |
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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8735 Registered: 3-2004  |
ROFL!!!!!! Love it!!!! Diana L | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 195 Registered: 9-2006 |
This probably needed a little more explanation. When I was a kid, going to the grocery store and shopping with Mom was an adventure. The isles were filled with exciting and forbidden things, and I wanted to touch everything. My mom would quote the text, "Touch not, taste not..." This was before she embraced the Gospel years later, and knew what the Colossians text actually said. Anyway, we learned to read labels and find that certain ingredient, refined pork fat known as lard, that back in the 1960's and 70's, was found in all sorts of stuff. Sharon and I thought this classic Adventist shopping ritual was worthy of a country song. Apologies to Waylon Jenning's heirs. Martin C | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8736 Registered: 3-2004 |
I learned from my Mom to read labels before you were born. I still read labels not for religious reasons but because I have an allergy to sugar. Again, thanks for the lyrics. Love them!! Diana L | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1134 Registered: 12-2007 |
Wish I had an allergy to sugar.....  | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 108 Registered: 7-2010  |
My stomach gets huge with sugar... is that an allergy??? Michael | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8739 Registered: 3-2004 |
Once I get sugar or any sweet taste on my tongue I want more and more and cannot be satisfied. I cannot eat one piece of candy or one cookie. I have been 5 days without sugar today. Ohhh, that applies of any kind of fruit juice. I have drunk a gallon of orange juice in one day. I also have an allergy to anything with gluten in it. Whole Wheat breads I can eat like there is no tomorrow. Plus they go right to my abdomen and leave fat there. So, with God's help through CR I stay away from those things. Diana L | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 110 Registered: 7-2010 |
Diana, I once lost 40 pounds in a matter of months by simply replacing a continuous stream of fruit juice (the good 100% kind) with plain 'ol water. I actually had to INCREASE my food calories because I was dropping weight too fast to be safe. I too love OJ... but I now limit myself to a few glasses per week. Michael | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 254 Registered: 10-2003 |
@Michael.... "My stomach gets huge with sugar... is that an allergy??? Michael" yup but they don't make an 'EpiPen' for that reaction..... I know - I looked!!! | ||
| Paulcross Registered user Username: Paulcross Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2005 |
Thanks S & Mc So many stories, so many memories... Blessings to you! Paul Cross | ||
| Karethamiller Registered user Username: Karethamiller Post Number: 92 Registered: 8-2010  |
I think SDAs are experts at reading ingredient labels. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2116 Registered: 4-2000  |
Unfortunately and sadly, there are a few religionists who insist that former Adventists must prove themselves to be authentic Christians by their seeing some pig blood dripping from their chins. Apparently, they haven't read the verdict of the Jerusalem Council on this matter. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 627 Registered: 5-2009 |
And don't forget, after reading the labels we peeled them off the cans (of vege-meats foods only) and brought them to Sabbath School: "Bring your labels and your offerings, this will make dear Jesus gl-a-a-a-d..." Do you think the vege-food labels really DID make Him glad??? Thank you for the great song lyrics S & M !! Any other wonderful song parodies out there? ("Wham on the run...") | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2010 |
Wham on the run... LOL Michael | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 197 Registered: 9-2006 |
Dennis, Does our little parody somehow convey the idea that real Christians must pass a dietary test to be authentic? I'm trying to understand your comment. We did not post these silly lyrics to embarrass any former or current Adventists, but to simply show the humorous side of extreme food aversions caused by our indoctrination. Most of us would agree that it would be contary to the Gospel to set up a dietary test for believers. Some of us have had (or still do) a visceral reaction to any mention of pork, or meat of any kind in some cases, by visualizing something grotesque, such as dripping animal blood. Their strong feelings often tend to turn the conversation into grossout stories about the meat industry, diseases, and contamination fears. There can be many different reasons for wanting to avoid lard or animal products. I have a close friend, never was SDA, who becomes gravely ill from pork products. However, for most of us former SDA's, we learned an aversion to pork because of our deep indoctrination. We also learned to condemn others and judge their authenticity by their diets. This is yet another good illustration as to why we are not under Sinai's food laws. Illuminating our aversions, giving them to our Lord, and even laughing about them, I sincerely hope that can help bring healing, and not pain. Martin C | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2117 Registered: 4-2000 |
Martin, Yes, a few people actually would get some form of entertainment in watching a bunch of former Adventists eating blood sausage, eating meat for the first time or eating "unclean" meat for the first time, sucking on pickled pig's feet, and biting into a slab of smoked fat back. To them, this would be the ultimate test of their new paradigm of faith or orthodoxy. To eat or not to eat certain foods is a way for some people to judge each other--not just in Adventist circles. This conduct can potentially create sub-classes among former Adventists--the weak and the strong, the real and the pretenders, the faithful and the faithless, the haves and the have nots, ad nauseum. By the way, a meatless diet also frees up alot of time that meat-eaters are often not aware of. Effective time management is increasingly important for busy, harried families when both husband and wife work outside of the home. This is one way for Christian families to have more time for devotions. The preparation of a meat-based entree or casserole typically requires alot of work. One must carefully guard against cross contamination of surfaces touched by raw meat on a continual basis. Cooking times and temperatures must be very carefully monitored to ensure safety. All these details are eliminated in a vegetarian kitchen. This is why ever-increasing numbers of Jewish families are replacing their kosher kitchens in preference to a meatless diet. It is simply alot easier and faster that way. Interestingly, alot of meat analogs (fake meat) display the kosher symbol on the can or frozen package. It is certainly no fun to clean up an authentic kosher kitchen. In fact, it is a major burden in my view. If in doubt, simply send me an email at dfministries@gmail.com for even hilarious stories. You see, I owned and operated a cleaning business for many years. Personally, I generally eat what is set before me, and I enjoy chicken, hamburger, and fish at a restaurant. However, in our home, we rarely eat meat (both for health reasons and due to our lack of expertise in preparing it). As we age, we should decrease or eliminate red meat in our diet for cholesterol control. Admittedly, I have no culinary skills nor any interest in obtaining any. In this area, I am totally at the mercy of my dear wife (smile). My role in the kitchen is primarily in the clean-up detail. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2118 Registered: 4-2000 |
PS: It is a common fallacy that a kosher kitchen somehow equals a very tidy kitchen. Basically, a kosher kitchen deals with keeping dairy and meat separate. This comes from the ritual Mosaic law that "You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk" (Ex. 23:19 ESV). In the event that a kosher kitchen is contaminated, it may involve the local rabbi to re-kosher it. There are some options in the re-koshering process. For example, a utensil or an expensive kettle may need to be discarded or set on the stovetop with water boiling out of it until water reaches the stovetop or by placing the kettle in the oven at a high temperature for a set amount of time. The local rabbi will guide the Jewish family in the annoying re-koshering process. If it has been determined that a Gentile employee disobeyed or misunderstood the kosher rules, it is most heart-breaking for the Orthodox Jew. In short, they feel that the Gentile has polluted their entire kitchen. This is why high-end kitchen appliances are now manufactured with a "Sabbath mode" feature that shuts off the lights in the refrigerator on the Sabbath and the compressor operates at a slower speed to require less energy consumption--even if it allows the ice from the ice maker to partially melt and clump together. Dennis Fischer | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6861 Registered: 9-2006  |
Quote: Yes, a few people actually would get some form of entertainment in watching a bunch of former Adventists eating blood sausage, eating meat for the first time or eating "unclean" meat for the first time, sucking on pickled pig's feet, and biting into a slab of smoked fat back. To them, this would be the ultimate test of their new paradigm of faith or orthodoxy. To eat or not to eat certain foods is a way for some people to judge each other--not just in Adventist circles. This conduct can potentially create sub-classes among former Adventists--the weak and the strong, the real and the pretenders, the faithful and the faithless, the haves and the have nots, ad nauseum. Where do you get this crap? I know my share of Adventist, and not even they fit that description. You must have a really low life view of people. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2119 Registered: 4-2000 |
Martin and River, My comment was based on my actual experience when a highly-respected, ordained non-SDA religionist actually challenged former Adventists to eat "unclean" meat at a picnic. He thought this would be a cool thing to see and the ultimate acid test of their orthodoxy. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 198 Registered: 9-2006 |
Dennis, I was hoping you would engage more of what I said to you. The information about kosher kitchens and vegetarian efficiency is interesting but only obliquely related. With all the discussion about efficiency and contamination, I'm picturing that all is under control in a very scientific, laboratory kitchen! At our house, food is a fairly quick, fussless affair, meat and all, but we don't go crazy with the flesh foods. If there is a hierarchy of gastronomical rebellion among formers, our eating probably wouldn't place us at the top. One of these days, though, I would like to try possum and sweet taters. Ah well, even though I think we live in very different worlds, no one here would probably answer to the name "religionist." Martin C | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11935 Registered: 12-2003  |
Dennis, I'm just too curious to resist asking: when did an "ordained non-SDA religionist actually challenge former Adventists to eat 'unclean' meat at a picnic"? And who was this man who thought he could text orthodoxy that way? I can't imagine such a thing...but since you say it is so, I'm asking so I don't relegate it to the "urban legend" category unfairly. Colleen | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2277 Registered: 5-2007  |
Dennis, The definition that I understand for the word 'religion' is: Mans attempt to please God by human works. So, what is a 'religionist' other than someone preaching a non-gospel message? Since our salvation is by faith alone, what business does a religionist have in challenging a former adventist who has found and accepted his true Savior and understands the real gospel message? Fearless Phil | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2121 Registered: 4-2000 |
Colleen, This highly-respected person has taught at a Catholic seminary for many years. My reference to him as a "religionist" is a polite substitute word for a legalist. It is interesting to me that both cults, Seventh-day Adventists and Roman Catholics, refuse to admit that they have alot in common theologically, organizationally, educationally, medically, and culturally. Publicly, as you already know, they act as adversaries. Moreover, this Catholic seminary professor put his thoughts in multiple emails to selected former Adventists in an online club I was a member of. Some club members felt he was a helpful expert for new former Adventists in areas such as the weekly Sabbath and the state of the dead since he was very familiar with Koine Greek as a professor who actually taught it to others in a formal, academic setting. Phil, Seventh-day Adventism doesn't have the exclusive edge on legalism. Legalism, in many forms, exists worldwide in "Christian" circles as well as in non-Christian circles. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you that a legalist doesn't have the credentials to challenge former legalists. However, this is what happened a few years ago. People generally don't see themselves as others see them. Likewise, it is legalistic to suggest that former Adventists should adopt a certain diet to somehow prove themselves as worthy of the Christian name. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Asetechrail Registered user Username: Asetechrail Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2010  |
If you eat clean meat - fine. If you eat "unclean meat" - fine. It you don't eat any meat at all - fine. What you eat or drink has nothing at all to do with your salvation. When the Bible says not to let anyone judge you by what you eat it means it!!!!! It also says that whatever is not of faith is sin. Personally I am comfy with eating snake, but sure ain't gonna go petting one!! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6865 Registered: 9-2006 |
Yeah well...for any idiot to challenge formers to eat ANYTHING for his own entertainment is just about the sickest thing I ever heard of, if he challenged them in front of me he would he wouldn't be able to eat himself, because he'd be picking his teeth up off the ground. River | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1466 Registered: 3-2009 |
Now, now, River, "Thou shat not hit thy neighbor in the mouth." It does seem sometimes that some people expect formers to perform certain acts prohibited by the SDA organization just to prove that they really are not SDA anymore. I take the position that Jesus took when Satan tempted him, "if you are the Son of God..." He did not have to prove anything to Satan, and I don't have to prove anything to anybody. Sometimes what one does or doesn't do doesn't even have anything to do with religion, but someone wants one to do it to prove religion. Wrong. "If the Son has set you free, you are free indeed." Free to do or not to do. Hec | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11940 Registered: 12-2003 |
Dennis—thank you. I agree with you; that sort of attitude is repugnant. It doesn't help at all! We can't eat because we're challenged to eat. We are to eat only when we are trusting God and eating by faith in the Lord Jesus. Colleen |
