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| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 163 Registered: 2-2010 |
http://www.heavenlysanctuary.com/staticpages/index.php/Freedom_Fighters I recieved an email this morning from a ministry called heavenlysanctuary.com which sounds SO SDA. I looked everywhere to see who it's created by and have not seen any SDA claim to it. But based on this line: "We invite you to join us in vindicating God's character before all men, women and children, for it won't be long before we see him face to face – our God, our loving Father, our best Friend." I am pretty sure it is SDA. I wonder which assertive and upfront person in my life (note the sarcasim) signed me up for this one...sigh... | ||
| Jlondon81 Registered user Username: Jlondon81 Post Number: 36 Registered: 6-2004 |
Under "About Us" they mention how the founders met at Canadian University College. A simple Google search reveals (without leaving Google) that the school is SDA, making it fair to assume this is SDA as well. | ||
| Jlondon81 Registered user Username: Jlondon81 Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2004 |
Oh, and after a brief browse thru the site, it's pretty apparent they rip off SDA. I chuckled at the "Cosmic Battle" Bible studies, as if they think they're fooling people. | ||
| Jlondon81 Registered user Username: Jlondon81 Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2004 |
Also, lurk their discussion forum. Doesnt appear (to me anyway) that there are any formers on there, but interesting to see Adventists debate doctrine amongst themselves. (Currently looking through a thread IN DEFENSE of Revelation Seminars. Amazing.) | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 165 Registered: 2-2010 |
THank you! You are right. I saw that they went to the Canadian University but since it didn't have SDA in the name I assumed...first mistake...that it was not an SDA university. I looked over their email to try and find an unsuscribe button and of course there is none. In a huff of irritation I emailed them back. ___________________ It is not even remotely biblical to say that it is our job to vindicate God's character. You people are missing the boat entirely. You wont see that it has nothing to do with what we do and everything to do with what He did until you get your head out of the teachings of EGW and read your Bible for what it is really saying. The great controversy world view is the product of a false prophet. I urge you to read Galations. Sabbath is NOT the seal of God. Nowhere in the Bible does it even suggest that it is. God vindicated man on the cross and we have NO PART in vindicating God because He needs no vindication. This idea is blasphemy. Please, take me off your mailing list. Thank you. From: A Newsletter Entirely About God. <the_good_news_newsletter@lists.heavenlysanctuary.com> Subject: [The Good News] October 2010 To: the_good_news_newsletter@lists.heavenlysanctuary.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:13 AM Friends, Here is the October 2010 edition of our monthly newsletter, "The Good News" - featuring an article by Scott Bennett entitled "American Idol". We hope you find a blessing in it and at the very least - provoked to wrestle with the same questions Scott has had. Simply click the following link to read the newsletter in PDF format: http://www.heavenlysanctuary.com/newsletter/gnn_october10.pdf Remember to always focus on Jesus Christ for He is the perfect revelation of who God is and what God is truly like! Warmly, HeavenlySanctuary.com NOTE: If you would like to receive this newsletter in paper form, please send your address information to office@heavenlysanctuary.com. | ||
| Patallen Registered user Username: Patallen Post Number: 156 Registered: 7-2010  |
Still hiding and not identifying themselves upfront. Amazing! Pat | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 166 Registered: 2-2010 |
I just read my email to them. Yikes, I should never attempt to communicate with anyone pre-coffee. I could have handled that better. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11855 Registered: 12-2003  |
Yes, HeavenlySanctuary is SDA. It's based around Southern Adventist University, and it has close ties to people in Loma Linda. This is the same group that conducted a weekend seminar called "the Good News Tour" at LLU Church a couple of years ago, and the year prior to that weekend, they held the first Good News Tour on the campus of U of Redlands. The website for Good News Tour is http://www.goodnewstour.com/staticpages/index.php?page=chattanooga_speakers Notice that this is the organization which had the picture done of Jesus washing world leaders' feet. The local leaders connected with Heavenly Sanctuary and Good News Tour are Brad and Dorothee Cole. He's a neurologist on the faculty of LLU School of Medicine and holds (or used to hold) weekly Bible studies for LLU students at which they offer free lunch. Dorothee is also a neurologist. They teach a bloodless atonement; Jesus' blood was not what made God forgive us. It's all about His loving character; God is forgiving without Jesus' blood involved. Jesus' death is a demonstration, not a required propitiation. They are most definitely Adventist. Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1476 Registered: 7-2007 |
When I was an Adventist, I was taught that Jesus had to shed His blood in order for us to be saved; but that there was "more" to the atonement than that. (such as the I.J.)So I never heard of a "bloodless atonement" as an Adventist... | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 607 Registered: 5-2009 |
Asurprise, I was never taught that Jesus shed His blood to pay for our sins, He just died to say He loved us. I never could really understand why He had to go through all that torture just to say He loved us! I would have believed Him without all of that! When I heard the REAL gospel, it finally all made sense. I didn't hear it through the sda church, though. And I took EGW very seriously, so that really messed me up. I mean, she would say something on one page that sounded like 'grace' and then on the next page make a statement that totally supported a works-based salvation! You were taught an incomplete atonement, which is also a false gospel. | ||
| Gorancroatia Registered user Username: Gorancroatia Post Number: 138 Registered: 6-2010 |
Come to think that SDA uses Jesus name, and word atonement, but in fact have nothing to do with Jesus or Holy Spirit, and totaly neglect Atonement on the Cross. SDA believe in one God and in Sprit o prophecy - which is to be Jesus testimony. So, to sum up: New Testament Gospel is out of SDAism..gone and never be there in the first place. It is an Old testament movement, who for political reasons uses Christian terms. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8698 Registered: 3-2004  |
I found this website a while back. Being a former sda I knew it was adventist when I saw the Canadian University College. Diana L | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11864 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, Goran...that is such a good statement. SDAism in an Old Testament movement that, for political reasons, uses Christian terms. In fact, SDA is also just plain cultic; some things about it aren't even Old Testament. State of the dead, for example, is just plain OFF for both Jews and gentiles. Colleen | ||
| Harpazo Registered user Username: Harpazo Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2010 |
Where did the Law get Isreal? Why would someone read the Bible and decide, "Yes! That is the part I want" and stop there? | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2628 Registered: 8-2004  |
Harpazo, good question! I think people are drawn that lawkeeping the same way some people are drawn to communism - they want some one or something to tell them in detail what to do and what not to do. To be sure, not measuring up does make for misery, but every now and then, if they try hard enough, they can seem to meet the standard and feel good about themselves. Totally giving up control over their own salvation, on the other hand, to a God they don't know and have not learned to trust, is like death - to be avoided at all costs. | ||
| Gorancroatia Registered user Username: Gorancroatia Post Number: 140 Registered: 6-2010 |
Yes,I agree Colleen, to say just an Old Testament movement, misses the whole picture. SDa is also extra Biblical.. Harpazo, from my experience, I was hot for the LAW - 10 C., but willing to see that I was not in compliance with the 10C even inwardly and outwardly, So Jesus reveal to me His work on the cross. First, in taking my guilt , Second in declaration my righteussnes in God sigt. Third, by ecepting sufferings, because, 10 C promises Eartly blessings, even for Sabbath keeping to most. Fourth, in trusting in Suveren God who controls things. (Message edited by GoranCroatia on October 22, 2010) | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 186 Registered: 9-2006 |
Here is yet more evidence that human vanity learns absolutely nothing from history. No fool's errand is too suicidal for human pride. No matter how utter the failure of those Hebrews might have been, how deep the disappointments, or how many glittering opportunities were wasted on idols while under Sinai's law, none of that mattered. We knew we were different. Our personal righteousness would exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees. Adventist identity (and much of Christendom's) could be summed up this way: "We are better than the Jews." | ||
| Paulcross Registered user Username: Paulcross Post Number: 88 Registered: 4-2005 |
Harpazo, Re: post #15, you said; Why would someone read the Bible and decide, "Yes! That is the part I want" and stop there? I think that a belief system that embraces a DIY basis for their religious system isn't just inclined to attract some but is attractive to many because it does not challenge man's assumption that he is incharge of his entire existance and his destiny. As a result, people who are attracted to the idea of doing it right personnally or as a society are reasured - "...these Adventists are on the right track, they are helping people to act they way they should, to form good charachters (fit for heaven)." There is nothing in a law oriented system that challenges us to take off the "veil" and see God as our ONLY HOPE. In other words become Adventist does not require you to;
So you will frequently hear statements that place enphasis on, "rebuilding charachter", man's need to copy Jesus actions, and a preference for spiritual disciplines that can be externally measured. SDAism is a "veil compatible" system. SDAism resonates with fallen man's egocentric worldview. Paul Cross | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11869 Registered: 12-2003 |
Exactly, Paul. Adventism and all "works religions" (which means any religion that requires/includes your own discipline and will power and determination, even if it's determination in an ascetic direction), is natural to natural man. We ALL naturally do works religion—unless we submit to the Savior and are born of His Spirit. Martin, you said it so well. I remember actually thinking that we Adventists had the best of Judaism, but we were better than the Jews because we didn't reject Jesus. Oh, my goodness...I really had no clue... Colleen |
