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Clintonc
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Username: Clintonc
Post Number: 62
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 12:22 pm: |     |
Hi everyone,
I just had a few aha moments (or rather, oh there's another Adventist thing I found in my head).
The first was the discussion someone posted on here about Jesus' omnipresence. I too remember hearing in school and in church growing up that Jesus' gave up his omnipresence when he became human forever. I never realized that I had still believed this until recently! Of course, Jesus was fully God. How could His temporary human body block part of His God-likeness.
Just when I think I have everything sorted out, another Ellenism/SDAism pops up! Good grief, have I gotten all the layers of the onion yet!!??
So, anyway, here's my next:
We were in church last week, and we sang a really beautiful old hymn I had never heard before, and I thought I knew them all, 'cause that's all we sang in my old SDA church. It was called "Are you Washed in the Blood?"
The lyrics are this:
Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless? Are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you walking daily by the Savior’s side?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Do you rest each moment in the Crucified?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless? Are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
When the Bridegroom cometh will your robes be white?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Will your soul be ready for the mansions bright,
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless? Are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Lay aside the garments that are stained with sin,
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb;
There’s a fountain flowing for the soul unclean,
O be washed in the blood of the Lamb!
Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless? Are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
So, I sat in church crying because I had never heard this before. Reading the lyrics, I think I know why.
Any of you here ever sang this song before? |
Patallen
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 2:48 pm: | |
Clintonc,
I remember it from childhood and maybe even as an adult but it has been extracted from the SDA Hymnal. Me thinks I know why too. Hummmmmmmmmmm
Pat |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 6468
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 7:44 pm: | |
ClintonC, that is one of my favorite hymns of all time beside 'Amazing Grace'. My mother sang that song as she went about doing here housework, hanging out the laundry, and so fourth.
We sang it at least once a week when in the little church I attended when I was saved, and so many times since then.
I just cannot feature you having never had the privilege of singing it before now. Although it does not surprise me that it is not in SDA hymnals, because if they sang it in earnest worship of the Lord, they would have to say they are saved.
It asks such an important question, are you washed in the blood, when the bridegroom cometh will your robes be white?
It might pay them to start singing that and asking the question. |
Believer247
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Post Number: 142
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 6:47 am: | |
Clintonc, I had the same experience last year the first time I heard this hymn sung in a Baptist church we attended. I have never heard this hymn before....I was so moved by the words....
It was never in any of the SDA hymnals I have ever seen.
Yes, I know exactly why it was never sung in the SDA churches I attended. This has become my favorite hymn now along with "He Set Me Free", another hymn I had never before. |
Patallen
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 9:19 am: | |
It was back in the 80's when the church set up a special diverse committee to do major reconstruction on the 1941 SDA Church Hymnal. I still have my hymnal (copywrited 1985) and below is a paragraph that encapsulates what they were trying to achieve:
"The committee has sought hymns well suited for congregational singing and examined each one for scriptural and doctrinal soundness. They prized music that would be attractive both to old and young worshipers, and texts that recognized the diversity of cultures among the English-speaking church members who will use the hymnal. They mined the treasures of Christian hymnody past and present. They selected favorites from our Adventist heritage and gospel songs both old and new. They sought hymns that affirm the distinctive beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists as well as those that express points of faith we hold in common with other Christian bodies."
Several hymns I personally loved were omitted in this version and now I understand why. I wish I had my old hymnal to see the lyrics of the other songs (eg. Are You Washed In The Blood) that didn't make the cut.
Pat |
River
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Post Number: 6475
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 12:08 pm: | |
You know what Pat? I think they are afraid of a blood bought Christian, I think they are deathly afraid of you guys, because just your presence condemns them to hell and somewhere deep inside, they know it.
And just what points of faith do they hold in common with Christian bodies, now I have got to hear that!
You guys presence and things like proclamation gives them fits and scares them, because somewhere deep down inside where they don't dare to look, they are uneasy and they feel threatened, and well they darn sure should.
So the next time any of you folks feel like yer getting beat up by your Adventist family, just remember that its the presence of the Holy Spirit in you that makes them fidget like that.
It ain't you, its Gods living presence in you, and that gets the devil all riled up. Seen it a thousand times before.
River |
River
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Post Number: 6476
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| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 12:10 pm: | |
Knowing I belong to Jesus, I'd fight a dern buzz saw! |
Jeremy
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Post Number: 3308
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| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 12:23 pm: | |
quote:And just what points of faith do they hold in common with Christian bodies, now I have got to hear that!
Exactly, River. And they actually changed the lyrics of hymns so that they wouldn't teach Christian doctrine, such as changing the words of Trinitarian hymns to make them teach Tritheism! Yikes.
Jeremy
(Message edited by jeremy on August 06, 2010) |
Yenc
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Post Number: 267
Registered: 6-2008
| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 1:35 pm: | |
That hymn is in "Christ in Song," published in 1908 by the Review and Herald. That old book was used as the church's hymnal before 1941, when the "Church Hymnal" came out. I have a reproduction "Christ in Song," that was published as a "Souvenir Edition" by the Voice of Prophecy a few years ago (I don't know exactly when).
I also have a copy of the "Church Hymnal," 1941 edition. I guess it's partly because I'm an old fogy, but I like the old hymns better than the modern songs that are so very repetitious! (Some of them are okay, but most bore me half to death! They just don't have the depth of some of those oldies.) |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 11527
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 3:45 pm: | |
Interesting! No, that hymn is not in the 1941 edition. Thanks for spotting it in Christ in Song, Yenc.
River, you're totally right in your analysis. Yesterday I wrote a rather long-ish email to the founder of a ministry called "Former Adventist Reclamation Ministry". Their stated goal is to contact every former Adventist in the USA and win them back, prepping local churches to be ready for them.
I outlined why I left and explained why the essential doctrines of Sabbath, State of the Dead, and EGW obscure the gospel.
I just got a reply: "Dear Colleen, It is a shame you have been led astray by the devil's teachings. I will pray for you."
Sigh...
Colleen |
Patallen
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Post Number: 50
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| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 4:37 pm: | |
Colleen and Yenc,
Thanks for the correction about the hymn being in Christ in Song. I know I use to sing it and forgot about the other possibilities for its location.
Pat |
Philharris
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Post Number: 2225
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| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 5:17 pm: | |
This is my all time favority gospel song and I really like the Statler Brothers version.
Fearless Phil |
River
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Post Number: 6483
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 1:40 pm: | |
Colleen,
They are spending all that money and effort to reclaim one or two. Here,s why, formers are being saved, and when they get saved, the parable in Luke 16:19-31 goes into effect,This is what happens.
Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
When these formers get saved that gulf is fixed, with the spiritual awakening comes a great gulf, and it is as far as from the east to the west.
It would be easier to swim the globe, than reclaim whoever Jesus has declared saved and given his spirit.
AND, he will never leave them nor forsake them, I never worry about that, but due too being new to freedom and salvation, they do go through much needless suffering, and this breaks my heart into little peaces, but them reclaim them? No on your life, ain't gonna happen!
All the time they accuse you of evil,they are scared, when the lights go out, and there's nothing but their own breathing to back them, old uncertainty comes a knockin', and they frantically call on the false church who fathered them to give them an uneasy rest.
Its an un-nameable something that tells them everything is not just right. That un-nameable something is the Holy Spirit.
But don't you worry about these formers that have gotten saved, the Adventists cannot have them any more.
River |
Patallen
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Post Number: 55
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 3:12 pm: | |
Colleen,
I guess remarks like that are part of the departure. I've been called confused and I've heard that my new beliefs are so absurd that they are not worth responding to.
Hey, we have each other and that's a big bonus and blessing in my book! |
Sabbatismos
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 6:49 pm: | |
You know, I don't know how this Reclamation Ministry expects to get anyone back! I have emailed I don't know how many SDA pastors, and they will not respond to what we have on our website. Even an EGW apologist with his doctorate (teaches at Andrews) won't respond to our polite questions, and he told a mutual friend that he would be willing to answer our questions! The leaders know all they can do now is try to hold onto the faithful members they have still left in the pews--and they hope to trick a few unsuspecting, non-biblicly grounded Christians into joining. |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 11:06 pm: | |
I agree with you both, River and Pat!
Colleen |
Angelcat
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Post Number: 187
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 3:43 pm: | |
I really hate all the lies they tell themselves as to why we left. it is very arrogant and condescending.
But you know what? they can and will think and say whatever they want. I know it's not the truth. Whatever gets them thru the night, yanno? they are NOT getting me back, no matter what they tell themselves. If they admit that someone could truly understand and belive in their unique doctrines, and then truly come to beleive those doctines are wrong, well, that allows for the possiblity that it could happen to them, and the pride of being right gets in the way of that. And it is humbling and yes, embarrassing, to accept that you have spent your life fighting a battle that was won around 2000 years ago. That you stayed in the prisoner of war camp, where it felt safe, and lived in bondage, rather than walking out into freedom. |
Angelcat
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Post Number: 188
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 3:53 pm: | |
Here is a song I did listen to while I was an Adventist, but it went completely over my head. Now, it has tons of meaning. This song could have been written about my life...living in bondage even after being saved...has so much meaning now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGuaJM_JmyI |
Patallen
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 4:51 pm: | |
Angelcat,
Loved the song, the words were oh so meaningful and rich. Salvation truly is free but Adventism teaches and thrives on the merit system.
Jesus said 'It is finished' and He didn't even stutter. I believe Him and I am retiring my boxing gloves; no more fighting what has already been fought and won. I'm resting, even relaxing in Him. What a blessing not to live in fear any longer. Hold my mule while I SHOUT!
Pat |
Believer247
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 7:47 am: | |
I had forgotten about the hymnal "Christ in Song". I don't have a copy of it, don't think I ever had one. But I vaguely remember the book when I was a kid but don't remember what songs were in it anymore. It was probably out of print a long time ago. |
Hec
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Post Number: 1250
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 12:03 pm: | |
"Jesus said 'It is finished' and He didn't even stutter."
Love it.
Hec |
Jeremy
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Post Number: 3323
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 3:19 pm: | |
I recently heard a song on a Statler Brothers video that you would never find in the SDA hymnal, entitled: "Every Day Will Be Sunday By and By" Haha!! 
I couldn't find the Statlers' version online, but here is the Blackwood Brothers singing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jPKqtC6xng
Jeremy |
Patallen
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 5:14 pm: | |
You got that right! 
Pat |
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