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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8322 Registered: 3-2004  |
I have a book that was given to me by my Mom long ago. I have never really looked through it. It is written by a Thomas L. Robinson. He is a biblical scholar, writer and editor. It was published by Thomas Nelson Publishers. I decided to check it out today. The first thing I checked was the birth of Jesus. He has Jesus being born in 6 BC. Then I searched for the death of Christ. He has Christ dying in 30 AD. That would make Christ about 36 years of of age. I learned as an sda that Christ was 30 years old when He died. Is this an ellenism?? My Mom bought this book at the adventist book store in Loma Linda and gave one to each of her children. Diana L (Message edited by Flyinglady on July 14, 2010) | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 229 Registered: 10-2003 |
The dates that I remember are 4BC for Jesus birth and 31AD for his death. 31AD is somehow necessary for validating 1844 and is a hot spot in the lunar calendar debate. I can't remember if his exact birth/age are stratigically linked to any other dates/events other than that they actually happened. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1721 Registered: 6-2006  |
Diana, Luke states that Jesus was 30 when he started his ministry ~ Luke 3:22-23 (New International Version) 22and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased." 23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. No one really knows, but I've seen scholars use dates from 27 AD up to 36 AD. It obviously would have to be after John the Baptist and before the end of Pilate's time.  Leigh Anne (Message edited by grace_alone on July 14, 2010) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8323 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thanks Leigh Anne, I did not bother to check the Bible. So he started his ministry when he was about 30. Diana L | ||
| Bobj Registered user Username: Bobj Post Number: 521 Registered: 1-2006  |
Remember that Star of Bethlehem video? Did that give the date? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11404 Registered: 12-2003  |
The Star of Bethlehem video did give a date...it said most calculations had been based on Josephus, and that at some point, a scribal error entered the Josephus MS and the date of Jesus' birth became accepted as 4BC. He said the earliest MS of Josephus gives the date as 1 BC. The Star of Bethlehem video states that, when searching astronomical software for unusual cosmic events around 3 BC to 1 BC, one does find a convergence that is very rare or Venus and Jupiter, and several other planetary approaches which give the story in the constellations of the birth of a Jewish king. The video places his birth at 1 BC, if I recall correctly. Colleen | ||
| Yenc Registered user Username: Yenc Post Number: 178 Registered: 6-2008 |
2010 AD roughly corresponds to 5770 by the Jewish calendar (in which the year starts in the fall). Jews sometimes use the designations BCE (Before the Common Era), as we say BC (Before Christ), and CE (Common Era) as we say AD (Anno Domini, the Year of our Lord). I also seem to recall that the 1 BC date is calculated from the time of Jesus' conception, and the following year would have been 1 AD because there was no 0 year between BC and AD. (I have no encyclopedia; perhaps someone could look this up.) Many world cultures to this day date a person's age by their conception rather than their birth as we do. | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 146 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hi Diana, There is a most remarkable study on the timing of Jesus' birth you can find online and read for free. Dr. Ernest Martin provided much of the research that went into the film, "The Star of Bethlehem," by Frederick Larson. The film is well worth your time and expense to order and watch it. For much more detail and amazing research, however, read chapters 4 and 5 of Dr. Martin's book, "The Star That Astonished the World." Dr. Martin's research makes a strong case for an actual date for Jesus' birth, the evening of September 11th, 3BC. How did he arrive at such accuracy? There are many clues in the Bible that link us with Roman history, Jewish history and the priestly courses, and with the stars and planets. Just to give you a taste: 1. Roman History--Augustus Caesar's census mentioned in Luke can be dated with some accuracy and probably took place late summer to early fall. Additionally, Tiberius Caesar's 15 year was when Jesus was about 30 years old (Luke). 2. Zecharius, John the Baptist's father, was serving his priestly course in the temple when the angel announced John's soon conception. His priestly course of "Abijah" was the eighth, out of 24 courses. These courses were set up in the time of David, and are precisely attached to the Jewish calendar. 3. The star of bethlehem is probably referring to conjunctions of the planet Jupiter, the king planet, and Venus, the mother planet, with Regulus the king star. Please see the film or see Dr. Martin's book for the explanation, which is compelling (I'll give reference below). 4. The Jewish Calendar--on September 11th of 3BC, Virgo (the virgin woman), had the twelve stars of Leo over her head like a crown, with the crescent moon at her feet, just as described in Revelation. This configuration lasted only a few hours. What day was this in the Jewish calendar? Rosh Hoshana, New Year's Day. The newborn king restarted the calendar for a new year, and a new creation. For Dr. Martin's book, see Associates for Scriptural Knowledge, and find their online book, "The Star that Astonished the World." http://www.askelm.com/star/star006.htm Martin C | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1141 Registered: 3-2009 |
Astrology? Hec | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 147 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hec, Yes, do let's talk about astrology, and let's define what astrology actually is. Larson, the writer of the script for the Star of Bethlehem video, makes a very useful distinction. Astrology believes that the celestial bodies influence human affairs. Modern astronomy only deals with the physical, measureable aspects of celestial bodies. I would add that astrology includes the human impulse to order our lives according to the power of nature perceived in the sky. In other words, our lives are "bound" to the celestial cycles. That is clearly not Biblical, we order our lives by God's Word, and not by the natural cycles of days, weeks, season, or years (In fact, you might check out an article about that, "Elemental Spirits..." in the new Proclamation). This is why Christians are no longer bound to worship on a certain day. No! What I have described above is not astrology by that important distinction. What we find is that God, who created the stars and planets and ordained them to be signs in the heavens (Gen. 1:14), arranged that certain signs should appear in the sky at their appointed times. By these signs He demonstrates He is in cotrol of history, and we need reminders! He can use human symbols that we understand, such as zodiacal signs, to communicate His control over history. Does this make sense to you? Martin C | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1145 Registered: 3-2009 |
Yes, Martin, thanks for the explanation. Hec |
