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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11380 Registered: 12-2003  |
Rose Publishing has weekly downloadable PDF documents that represent parts of their laminated fold-out charts and brochures on all sorts of Bible and religion topics. They have put up the PDF document from www.LifeAssuranceMinistries.org comparing Adventism to Christianity on their sign-up page for the email downloads. Check it out! http://www.rose-publishing.com/radio/ Colleen | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1120 Registered: 3-2009 |
Thanks, Colleen. Hec | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6411 Registered: 9-2006  |
I saved that one. | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1570 Registered: 11-2007  |
Very valuable resource!!! Thanks!!!!! | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2048 Registered: 4-2000  |
Have you ever wondered what Catholicism, the world's largest cult, really teaches? Richard Bennett, a former Catholic, who served as a parish priest for 22 years, has written an excellent book entitled "Catholicism: East of Eden." This 340-page paperback details the inner darkness of Catholicism. Bennett's deep compassion for Catholics is very noteworthy throughout his book. Educated by both Jesuit and Dominican scholars, Richard Bennett completed his formal training at Angelicum University of Rome in 1964. Gone are the days when he used put pebbles in his shoes to mortify his flesh. This book is readily available through Amazon and many other outlets. Richard Bennett conducts an excellent online ministry called the "Berean Beacon" (www.bereanbeacon.org). Check it out! Dennis Fischer | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3256 Registered: 10-2004  |
Colleen, That chart is very good, and I'm sure it will help many Christians to better understand what we are dealing with in regards to Adventism. There is one sentence, though, that is a bit confusing to me. Under "God," the last sentence says: "Both trinitarianism and Arian anti-trinitarianism are believed among active Seventh-day Adventists." I'm not quite sure what you meant by this, since in all of my extensive research I wasn't able to find even a single SDA who believed in trinitarianism. Maybe you can clarify for me what you meant by that sentence. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 13, 2010) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11400 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jeremy, you ask a good question, and that probably needs to be fixed. I actually was referring to their stated beliefs which are carefully couched...but you're right that none of them (unless they are converted into Adventism from Christianity, perhaps) truly believes the biblical Trinity. To assert that none of them believes Trinitariansim without explanatory statements would likely bring down accusations of lying...but I'm thinking at this point that it could be worded in a way so as to be more accurate. Thanks for the question... Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3257 Registered: 10-2004 |
Colleen, Well, the important thing is not what individual Adventists believe, but what Adventism officially teaches (which, of course, is not the orthodox, Biblical Trinity). In other words, even if a few do believe in the Trinity (such as converts from Christian churches, as you said--although once they are taught by SDAs and EGW their beliefs would inevitably become corrupted...), the SDA Church as a whole, and officially, teaches a different doctrine than the Christian Trinity (as acknowledged even by the SDA's own leaders). One other thing I noticed--and I hate to "nit-pick" what is actually a very good chart!--but I noticed that under "Scapegoat" the last sentence says: "He will be punished for being the party responsible for causing the sins of those who are saved." That is actually more the SDAs' own "standard line," which they use to try to paint a better-sounding picture than the dark reality of their teaching. I'm not saying that it's not what they teach, but it's not the complete picture. Because, if Satan is the party responsible for causing the sins of the saved, then he certainly would also be the party responsible for causing the sins of the unsaved. But he's not punished for/does not bear the sins of the unsaved, according to official SDA teaching, only the sins of the saved--which shows that it actually is substitutionary atonement, and not just punishment for his own wickedness in "causing" sins. As EGW wrote: "[...] They must prevent all whom they could from receiving the salvation purchased for them by Jesus. By so doing Satan could still work against the government of God. Also it would be for his own interest to keep from Jesus as many as possible. For the sins of those who are redeemed by the blood of Christ will at last be rolled back upon the originator of sin, and he must bear their punishment, while those who do not accept salvation through Jesus will suffer the penalty of their own sins." (Early Writings of Ellen G. White, page 178, paragraph 1.) So the idea that the SDAs like to put forth of Satan being the one responsible for causing sins (and thus it being Satan who is the one that has to suffer for the sins of the saved) is actually just a smokescreen to avoid the reality that it is Satan (in SDA theology) who makes the substitutionary atonement for the saved. But in reality, it doesn't really matter why Satan is the substitute in their theology, what matters is that they teach that he is the substitute who atones for the sins of the saved! The ultimate heresy possible! As our own Dennis Fischer likes to remind us, heresy cannot get any worse than this! Again, this might seem like nit-picking, but I just couldn't let this go, since, IMHO, this is an important distinction that should be made clear to the Christian world. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 13, 2010) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3258 Registered: 10-2004 |
I just can't get over how horrible this doctrine and the EGW quote above is. In the last sentence of EGW's quote above, you have to ignore the phrases "by the blood of Christ" and "through Jesus" because those phrases mean absolutely nothing if you are to believe just the other parts of that one sentence!!! Once again, those phrases are just smokescreens to try to hide the fact that what she really was saying is the following: "For the sins of those who will be redeemed by the blood of Satan will at last be rolled back upon the originator of sin, and he must bear their punishment, while those who do not accept salvation through Satan will suffer the penalty of their own sins." If you think about it, that's what she was really teaching and saying! Those phrases about Jesus mean absolutely nada, zero, zilch--they're only there to have "Christian-sounding" language in order to deceive her readers!! I am more convinced than ever, that this woman was controlled by Satan. Only someone who is demon possessed could write things like that!! Okay, I'm done for now...I think!  Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 13, 2010) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11402 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jeremy, I agree. I actually finished that chart over a year ago and have not looked at it recently. I agree re: the scapegoat AND the Trinity, and I'll change it. The newest Proclamation, just uploaded this afternoon, features the scapegoat doctrine, and we have repeatedly clearly stated he is punished for sins, not merely for causing them. Thanks for pointing out those things...I'll have them fixed. I agree with you 100%--and (if it's possible to become more convinced than 100%--ha!) I am increasingly convicted that satan was actually the one designing SDA theology. It's not just random, crazy ideas; rather, everything leads inexorably to Satan as the tragic hero who cleanses heaven and removes the sins of the saved. Colleen |
