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| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6328 Registered: 9-2006  |
During McCains run for presidency, he accepted John Haggees endorsement. Later on the Catholics gave him what for, because John Haggee maintains that Catholism is the false church spoken of in Revelations. I just happen to agree with Pastor Hagee at least as a possibility due to the killing, torture, of Christians since early on, and frankly I think the reason its not still going on is that the world finally put a stop to their murderous onslaught of innocents. I think there are Adventist who would just as soon put Christians to death as look at them, the only reason they don’t is because they know they would be tried for murder. But that is neither here nor there, basically the doctrine is rotten at the core. So anyway McCain starts waffling, and in an interview, this is what he said, “I will approve anyone for endorsement as long as they are not anti-anything.” The run was over, and yet he doesn’t want anybody to be anti-anything. The point I am leading up too, is that we can’t call Adventism a cult, even if it is a cult, which it is, or we can’t call islam a cult, which it is, nor are we free to speak up to new age, or much of anything else. Although if some turkey starts yelling about anything else out here, everybody yells ‘Free speech, free speech!’ Well, who says we can’t… Jesus? I don’t think so. Paul? I don’t think so. If we can’t identify doctrines that are out of the Christian realm, then what good are we? Paul stood for the gospel, then why shouldn’t we? Is it ‘unloving’ to preach the word? Perhaps we should not, then they can face the judgment guilty as charged when its too late to turn and nowhere to run too. But if we do not, then we are in direct disobedience to the word to be his witnesses, in Jerusalem, Judea, and to the lowest parts of the earth. I don’t see how we can take a stand and not be anti-something. If we don’t stand for something we will fall for anything, and you can take that to the bank. We confront Adventism for what it is, and we end up being branded mean spirited, bitter people, and not Christian at all in the way we speak. The like of whining you never heard when you start telling it like it is. At least John Haggee calls them as he sees’em, which, apparently Mr. McCain is unprepared to do. They branded his running partner because she is unwilling to waffle out on her Christianity and what she feels is right. She asked her Pastor, and the people to pray for her before the run, and they have literally tore that woman from limb to limb, hounding her to death, and McCain or hardly anybody else stood up for her as their sister in Christ. At least she is doing the best she can and trying to make a difference, yet they jerk on her for every little thing, and demand she be what they can never be. Her so called critics wouldn’t make a wart on her butt. Does that kind of talk bother ya? But as I watched this freak show, God has his people who will stand, they have stood in freezing weather for ten or more hours just to have her sign her book. God has caused people to honor her, it wasn’t her, it was her father God saying it’s all right my child, you were brave and courageous. But it really eats my gut, knowing the tears that have fallen on her pillow because of the merciless hounding she got for being kind, and wanting to make a difference. She should have been president, and McCain should have been her running mate. He fell when he denied his brother in Christ for telling the truth. Confessing him as brother just as long as he’s not anti-anything. Some formers call Adventists brothers, they ain’t my brother, except with the commonality of all men, in that sense they are my brother. But in the sense of where the gospel is concerned, they are enemies of the cross of Christ. For heavens sake what is this? Is love supposed to make us cowards, and liars against the truth? Or wafflers back and fourth just for the sake of a political idea? Are we supposed to let our children go like lambs to the slaughter and say nothing while they come and lure them out of the ranks, split them from the herd like lions for the weak prey? Will saying nothing, and not being anti-anything save them on judgment day when they face God not having accepted his own sons atonement? If I speak hard things there always someone in the crowd quoting some scripture or the other, and yapping, hows that working fer ya? Yap yap yap, sounds like some little yapper, ‘Hows that working fer ya?’ Well lug nut, the scriptures are working just fine for me! We don’t have to go around yelling, but I believe it time for the church to at least stand for something. I believe there is coming a time when it will be very important for us, as Christians to bend in prayer with one another arms wrapped around one anothers back confessing just what John said on another post, by faith alone in Christ alone. I believe its fast coming a time when it won’t make a difference whether your free will or whatever will, whether you’re Lutheran or Baptist, Pentecostal or pew hugger. I feel that the forces of good and evil are slowly aligning for battle, this one steps to that side and the other one steps to this side. Then the true follower of Christ will say, ‘Kill us as you will, but two more will take our place.’ Gods word has marched in the face of the Catholic death before, and it is able to do it again, because it either becomes part of us, or we become part of them. May it be said of us, ‘he loved his God unto death.’ There ain’t much time for the ones coming out to get it together, because six more will be coming a long tomorrow, children are being raised in a day. Folks I may be wrong, but you don’t have long to work, more coming every day right out of Adventism. The days are growing dark and cold, the sun is going down, the enemy is at the gates rattling the bars of hell, inside Christ gates is safety, while outside is sorcerers and dogs, and railers and accusers of what is good. Its swiftly coming a time when it won’t be popular for confessing you are a Christian, they’ll jeer you, and hate you for it. Like the grey line in communications, we ride the grey line between sundown and dark. Evil is becoming bold, men blatantly hugging men in public and patting their butts, women kissing women on the mouth in public, gay rights, marches, gay churches, proud, haughty, belligerent, demanding their rights to our schools and our children, teaching the children that this is ‘natural when even common sense is against it, women marrying women and men marrying men, and if you don’t believe this is a sure sign, then read the story of Lot. Well here’s yer sign! My plea is, “God if there is ten, will you withhold? Give me one more day to work, but just as the cold nipped at our hands as we gleaned the last of the cotton bowls from the cotton fields, harvest is almost over, and I feel an urgency not to rest, but to work, and do what I can do. I notice the new ones on the forum are growing so fast. More are coming. We’ve got to stand and tell it like it is. We can’t afford the political correctness, the don’t be anti-anything, because the anti-Christ knows he don’t have long to rage before he is thrown into the lake of fire, the devil knows Gods word cannot be halted nor the time delayed. Its us who don’t know the time, but we know the signs. The demons ask Jesus, “Are you here to torment us before the time?” They knew the time put down, they know Revelations inside and out, and they tremble at it. They accuse the brethren day and night, but they know their sentence has already been pronounced, and a Christian human makes them burn with hate, jealousy and anger at God for our atonement. As long as we’re not anti-anything we ain’t much of a threat. River | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1077 Registered: 3-2009 |
Preach on bro. Above all you need to remind me of the snake pit. A have a snake phobia, so the comparison helps a lot. Hec | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1561 Registered: 11-2007  |
Read on a booklet by an ex-Mormon we have... defending their endeavor to speak the truth. It said.. "We are not attacking... we are defending the true gospel of Jesus Christ." I'm not anti- anything before I am pro truth!! If that makes me anti-whatever... so be it  Contend defend contend defend.... the truth. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 789 Registered: 12-2007 |
Amen River ! I think you should "preach" this exactly as it is written on a youtube segment. I would LOVE to be able to download it and put it on a cd to keep and listen to when my faith begins to falter. Francie | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6333 Registered: 9-2006 |
We set and discuss about the Adventist churches position on Collard greens and Possum, and about how they claim they live longer. In the movie “The Outlaw Josey Whales.” Here is Clint Eastwood in a saloon with no whiskey, after being hounded by bounty hunters and rebels clean across the country, when in walks a bounty hunter, and the bounty hunter says, ‘I got to make a living.’ Clint says, ‘Dyin’ ain’t much of a livein’ boy.’ The bounty hunter turns around and goes back outside to think that over, walks back in and says, ‘I had to come back.’ Clint says, ‘I know.’ Then shoots him clean through the saloon doors with his colt forty fours. The old bounty hunter is layin’ there with his toes sticking up as he finds out dyin’ ain’t much of a livin.’ Well…dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’, but the dyin’s got nothing to do with how we live. I just happen to trust God for ever how long I’m here. What good does it do to live ten years longer without Jesus atonement, only to find out livin’ ain’t much of a dyin’. I’d rather live fifteen minutes knowing I have been washed in the blood, as I had sitting down to a bait of Collard greens, and livin’ in a snake pit with some old hag hissing at me for eighty years. Frankly I don’t know how long I’ll be here with all the possum and squirrels I’ve et, but I know I have had quality of life since Jesus reached down and dragged my worthless hide out of the gutter. So what good does your Collard greens do without a mediator huh? Now that things are a little different and I’m off my Grandpa’s 300 acre backwoods farm, the squirrel can play right outside my door and be safe enough if he watches the car wheels real close, and I trap the Possums and turn them loose back out in the woods, things are looking up a bit, but a T bone is in real danger of getting chomped on, if it gets within’ fifteen feet. One thing about it, I ain’t going in no saloon to get shot back out the door of, and it truly amazes me why formers got to run off back down to the snake pit just to get hissed at by some old biddy! What is it causes you to do that anyhow? Dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’ boy, and the snake pit will kill you fastern’ Clint Eastwood can spit. Going back down there leaves you down and out, and some Christian has to say, ‘Cover me Lord, I’m going in to get him!’ You wouldn’t need to get got if you didn’t go back down there in the first place! Going down there to the snakepit, and listening to some old biddy hissing will shorten your life span, it ain’t the Possum nor the Collard greens neither one. You better stay out of them snake pits Hec, cause dyin’ ain’t much of a live boy! River | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1080 Registered: 3-2009 |
Thank you, River. I sure needed that. I guess the reason why some formers look back at the snake pit would be the same reason why the Israelites looked back at Egypt. Somehow our minds are wired to remember the good old days and forget the "bad old days." That's why Israel, after being mistreated and enslaved, could think of going back to garlic and leeks. Their minds only remembered the few times when they might have gotten garlic and leeks. They forgot the whip, the long days, the hunger, the cold, etc. Former SDAs, I think go through the same syndrome. The mind plays the trick of "old times were better," and we start reminiscing about the "good old days." After some time without real fellowship, those of us who need other humans, start reminiscing about the good old days when we were in the center of everything. When "everybody" would invite us to dinner, when "everybody" acted as if we were important, when "everybody acted as if they were happy to see us. The Egyptian garlic and leeks look good at this point. We forget the bad old days when we sat at a Sabbath School lesson or through a sermon twisting because of the uneasiness of taking in what was being said, knowing that it was not biblical. We forget the guilt for not bringing in the tithes plus whatever percent the church had decided was to be for local offerings. In other words we forget the fear we lived in thinking the snake could bite at any time. That's why some of us need the reminder once in a while, River. And that's why I thank you for taking on the challenge of reminding us of the dangers of the snake pit. I don't think that I would ever go back as a member or regular visitor, but it's good to be reminded of the dangers so that I won't be tricked by the remembrance of the garlic and leeks. Thanks, River. Hec | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8245 Registered: 3-2004  |
For me, I have NEVER wanted to go back to adventism or even visit the church I used to attend. That is for many reasons, which my CR program has gotten rid of and I am glad for that. Right now I am not even sure I would go to a funeral in an adventist church, unless it was a blood brother/sister. I would not go to a wedding either. I am happy where our awesome God has me and do not want to disturb the peace He has bestowed on me. Diana L | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6336 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hec, I understand perfectly my friend, and I do consider you my dear friend, and I sympathize probably more than you will ever know. My heart really does go out to the ones who are suffering the pain of leaving. Sometimes I write what seems harsh, sometime cryptic, and sometimes soft, but know this, I do have a heart for my former friends. I don't know what it counts for, but it may count for something. You can't spend all your life with a people and not be affected on a deep level. Me, I guess I'm lucky, I walled off everybody until about a year and a half ago, until the Lord drug me kicking and screaming back into society. Now I am having to learn how to handle relationships, and long term friendships. I have no friends to go back to or remember. It used to be I had no long term friendships, when a person was out of my sight, that's where the friendship ended, I didn't know how to love, nor be loved, and I still can't feel love from people, so I have to take their word for it. I didn't trust Jesus to stay, I figure he'd just sort of drift off, but he never did, now I am learning that God also loves through his people, and he won't allow everybody to turn their backs on you. God has his people, and I welcome him to love you through me. Perhaps it might be a good idea to thank God for the relationships you have had, even your Adventist friends of yesteryear. When you haven't had friends who care at all, it's a pretty stark life. The life I have now doesn't always have happy endings, but its happy in between. Just know this, there is someone who understands, and cares. River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11325 Registered: 12-2003  |
Yes, River, you are right about this. And I love Sondra's last line:
That about sums up life for me... It's always amazing how speaking of the reality of what we came from and offering the biblical gospel is seen as "bashing" or "attacking". Contend, defend... Colleen | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 791 Registered: 12-2007 |
Sondra, I borrowed your line "contend defend contend defend--the truth." as part of a post on Facebook. The SDA minister of the church I used to attend... who probably by now is regretting accepting me as a FB friend. LOL This is a copy + paste of his post and my comment. 'Stephen Eastwood "So... I'm boarding a US air flight just now (thanks pastor Dave for the prayer - FC it is! Sweet) when the ticket agent says to me "you're flying on the wrong day." I asked "why"? She says "you're supposed to be home resting.". Hard to argue that!" Francie Owens Yep, everyone is to "stay in their own place".. BUT that kinda messes up the whole idea of getting in a car (or plane) and gathering at church.... forget where I saw this but it seems to be another one of those "paradoxes" . "Breaking the Sabbath by working so hard at trying to keep it" Thank you Lord for ALL of Hebrews 4 :-)... Thank you for removing the "veil" and helping so many to see and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ just as it is written instead of "proof texting" it to death to try and make it say what we want it to say instead of accepting it for what it really does say. :-) Context... context. " contend, defend.. contend, defend... the truth" · I posted there because he has FB friends all over the world who I know will see it (Unless he somehow deletes it) even if it makes them angry at me to see it... just maybe someone will see it and think about it... maybe. | ||
| Yenc Registered user Username: Yenc Post Number: 117 Registered: 6-2008 |
"Breaking the Sabbath by working so hard at trying to keep it" I don't remember if I made that up or not, but I used it on the thread "Rest" on 6/11/10 10:35 pm. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 792 Registered: 12-2007 |
That must be where I saw it then. :-) Francie | ||
| Yenc Registered user Username: Yenc Post Number: 119 Registered: 6-2008 |
This one I know I didn't make up myself, but I was unable to find the source: He who doesn't stand for something will fall for anything. It goes right along with 2 Timothy 15: "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." This is accomplished by prayerfully studying scripture and applying Isaiah's method: "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little." In other words, we need spiritually mature teachers who are able to teach from the whole of scripture, not those who use solitary 'proof texts' to build otherwise insupportable doctrines! | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 702 Registered: 7-2004 |
Francie, I'm proud of you for speaking out. Maybe he will even think a little bit about that one! | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 798 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hopefully he will.. or someone. I dont know.. its beena couple days now and no one has commented on it but it is still there on his page so at least he didnt delete it....yet. :-) Francie |
