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Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 579
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 11:18 pm: |     |
I'm sorry if this has already been discussed here, but I just heard about this. I guess this movie/documentary, "The Adventists" was released on DVD just this Spring.
Here is the Amazon link to it:
http://www.amazon.com/ADVENTISTS-Martin-Doblmeier/dp/0578047861/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1271271726&sr=8-1
Here's a clip of the "Great Disappointment" (by the way, Cindy Tutch was a teacher at my academy!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ive-vWKGNU&feature=player_embedded#!
If you click on the video and go to Youtube, on the side you can see several other clips...
It makes me want to puke...
Grace |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 580
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 11:22 pm: | |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOwUIftNlo&feature=related
This is just creepy... And if you read the comments under the video, it's just sad.
Grace |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 581
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 11:29 pm: | |
Okay... Sorry... I'm stuck on this YouTube thing. I saw this video, who is by Cindy Tutch--one of my teachers from academy.
Watching the indoctrination towards these kids is just so disturbing to me. Do you see the confusion in the kids about how people get to heaven?! |
Sparrow
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 8:25 am: | |
Interesting video clips. Praying that those who watch these clips will have their eyes opened to see the heresy of date setting and other false theology. |
Asurprise
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Post Number: 1259
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 1:53 pm: | |
That's so sad how easy it is for people to get decieved when they don't REALLY know their Bibles! 
I didn't know my Bible when I was a Seventh-day Adventist. I thought Ellen White "explained" the Bible and when there was an obvious difference between her and the Bible such as between Ephesians 2:8,9; 2nd Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5 and her saying that no one should say that they are saved; I simply took both her and the Bible a bit metaphorically and still didn't come up with a lasting assurance of salvation (beyond a few minutes.) Other differences between her and the Bible such as where it makes clear in Hebrews 6:19,20; Hebrews 9:12,25; Hebrews 1:3 & Hebrews 10:12 that Jesus ALREADY WENT into the Most Holy Place and sat down at the right hand of God, versus Ellen White saying that He waited until 1844 went right over my head. I never noticed them. It was a real miracle that I was saved at all! |
Dennis
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Post Number: 1986
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 2:44 pm: | |
Seventh-day Adventists are very media-savvy. They even measure the column inches they receive in free publicity in local newspapers in every Conference on an annual basis. About two years ago, I was a guest on the Test All Things radio show for three, consecutive 15-minute segments in Philadelphia, PA. Pastor Fran Sankey, the director-speaker of the program, interviewed me.
Interestingly, at that time, the mayor of Philadelphia was an Adventist. One upset SDA lady wanted Pastor Sankey to interview Doug Batchelor for balance (smile). Pastor Sankey and I had a special season of prayer together before the interviews were recorded. I am encouraged that the Tower to Truth website still has regular hits on this interview. Here is the link:
http://www.towertotruth.net/Audiofiles/dennis_fischer_sda_full.mp3
Dennis Fischer |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 582
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 5:58 pm: | |
Oops, I just realized I forgot the link on my post #581...
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbP4M2DAaCo&feature=related
When asked about Heaven this is what the kids said: The first kid said he imagines "all of us Adventists are there." The second kid said, that she thought some people who believe in God MIGHT be there. The last kid who comments on this says it's not just about knowing God but about living up to the best that you know. The uncertainty of salvation starts young.
Grace |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 8195
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 7:06 pm: | |
Those poor kids. I was raised sda, but I did not get it as intense as the currents kids are. I think that is because so many people are leaving the sda church. The church wants to make sure the kids are well brain washed. I pray for these kids.
I am soooooooooo glad I took my son out of sda school and put him in public school. I am very thankful his 4th grade teacher treated him meanly because she did not like me. Thank you awesome God.
Diana L |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 6245
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 8:56 pm: | |
Would some of you all just clue me in on something?
Why are you so shocked at what Adventism teaches?
You were Adventist yourselves weren't you?
I'm not being snide here, I'm just trying to take in what I see happening here from day to day.
To put it in an analogy, its like you traveled down a road that passed through a burnt over and war torn forest, the trees all blackened and dead, yet you never saw it,,, until you were clear of it, then you turn back and look, and say, "Oh my!!! Would you look at that?"
Now is that about it?
River |
Bb
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Post Number: 694
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 9:10 pm: | |
River, the blackened and dead trees had fake plastic leaves all stuck to them and our vision was blurry as we drove through, so it looked like it was fine. There were no problems with the trees. But after we were clear of it and found our glasses and put them on, we saw the dead blackened stumps. Now we are peeling back the plastic leaves to reveal the dead branches, and it never ceases to amaze us that we didn't notice it before!!
Does that help? |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 583
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 9:41 pm: | |
Yeah, I think Bb's description is about right. The fake shrubbery that covered the dead blackened stumps had us fooled. Not to mention, like Bb said, our vision was already blurry so we didn't pick up on the "oddities" that were there.
My husband and I listened to a sermon last night (on YouTube) where Doug Batchelor gave a sermon on "SDA Cult or Christian?". While what he said sounded so familiar, on this side of things, it is so obviously deceptive. His straw man arguments, and faulty logic sound SO good, yet, when you really listen to what he says, it's SO WRONG!
As formers, our lives are living miracles. The fact that any of us are out is because God called us out. Our natural flesh wants to only see the fake plastic leaves... It's God who gives us the eyes to see the reality behind the leaves.
Grace |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 10:29 pm: | |
Thank you Bb and Grace. You said it so well. I did not see anything wrong with adventism until after I left it. I was not happy there because of the legalism, but I did not know why it was so legalistic. God had to remove that veil and when He did I was able to read and understand the Bible so much better. I was able, then to compare adventism with the Bible. I am always amazed that I did not see it sooner. God took me out in His timing as He has for each of us. Thank your Awesome God.
Diana L
(Message edited by Flyinglady on May 23, 2010) |
River
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Post Number: 6247
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| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2010 - 6:42 am: | |
Yes Bd, it helped tremendously.
Lets talk about 'Gods timing' you're always mentioning, is that in line with the Bible?
Corinthians II 6:1 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
Corinthians II 6:2 For He says: "In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you." Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
The day of salvation is always today. Gods 'timing' was at the cross. At which time in your journey was the fullness of the atonement not in effect?
Gods time of grace is always today, for you, and for me, for your friends and relatives.
Look back down that road now, at the ones still traveling that road.
You see, the question is, as children of God, have we been given authority to do something for them?
Lets look at the parable of the boy who left his home and squandered his inheritance, but lets this time consider what the father said to the other son.
Luke 15:31 "And he said to him, 'Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours.
River |
Dennis
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 1:42 pm: | |
Spectrum magazine and other media sources are reporting today that the Executive Committee of the Michigan Conference of Seventh-day Adventists has voted to disallow educational benefits to any children of a Michigan Conference employee to attend LaSierra University due to their science professors allegedly teaching evolution in the classroom. If LaSierra University doesn't adequately cover the theory of evolution in their hard science curriculum, the regional accrediting association may withdraw their membership.
The regional accreditation association has already written a letter of concern to LaSierra University. If this should happen, then LaSierra students would not be able to qualify for most financial assistance. Adventists can teach whatever they want to in their college classrooms, but without accreditation, they would likely be forced to shut down within a short time frame. Generally, it is not considered heresy to teach the counterpart of biblical truth in a college classroom. However, the way it is taught by some professors may be what is at stake here.
Dennis Fischer |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 11272
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 3:26 pm: | |
So interesting, Dennis. Perhaps this ruling (and possibly others or the threat of others) is behind this announcement from Adventist News Network here.
Drama, drama...
Colleen |
Dennis
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Post Number: 1992
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 6:23 pm: | |
Colleen,
I posted a comment on this topic on ANN. Somehow I have the feeling that the "brethern" will not publish my brief message--even though I have one or two longtime acquaintances on the GC Public Relations staff.
Dennis Fischer |
Dennis
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| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 9:10 pm: | |
Contrary to my earlier pessimism, ANN published my remarks. I attacked their teaching of a 6,000 year old earth as Ellen White stated. Also, my comments included how difficult it has become for the SDA organization to hire qualified professors who believe such a short time frame when archaeologists have discovered that Egyptian dynasties are much older than 6,000 years.
Moreover, I mentioned that Seventh-day Adventists are not really creationists because they believe that humans die just like animals--with no immaterial part. This, of course, aligns with the thinking of atheists, agnostics, and secular evolutionists. LaSierra University's president, Randal Wisby, has written a message to the Michigan Conference Executive Committee on their college website. Truly, there remains a serious disconnect between between SDA science teachers and the SDA hierarchy in many Adventist schools. Speaking of origins, a science professsor at Union College once told me, "I wish I didn't know so much about it." In short, SDA dogma and hierarchical oversight is really making the work of their science teachers needlessly difficult and challenging.
Dennis Fischer |
Nowisee
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 10:10 pm: | |
Snowboardingmom, thank you for posting this about Cindy Tutch. To know that she was your teacher--wow!
River, we know this is taught--it's just that, seeing these children indoctrinated is very painful to watch, from our current perspective. When I first watched this I guess I assumed maybe each child had a Bible in their lap..(before I realized)...and to think they had Early Writings just sickened me, as that is the book that has the really creepy "Green Cord" vision and other weird stuff. So it was just seeing it so blatantly being taught without even a Bible present...difficult to watch the brainwashing.
And her voice--such a 'sweet' tone--ugh! The kids would have been better off "petting their cat" as she mentioned than attending this horrible class. |
Nowhitehats
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Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 1:43 pm: | |
Wow! Snowboardingmom,
I too had Cindy Tutsch as an academy teacher - this was about 25 years ago. I could only watch a couple minutes of the video as it brought back too many bad memories. I'm praying for those children. |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 587
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 8:07 pm: | |
Nowhitehats--where did you go to school? I went to Great Lakes Academy in MI.
Grace |
Nowhitehats
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| | Posted on Monday, May 31, 2010 - 2:05 am: | |
Hi Grace,
I graduated from Adelphian in Holly, MI one year before they closed down. We probably know some of the same people as they continued on to GLAA after 1987. |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 588
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| | Posted on Monday, May 31, 2010 - 10:13 am: | |
Nowhitehats,
Did you know Elder Richard Wuttke?
Grace |
Nowhitehats
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| | Posted on Monday, May 31, 2010 - 1:31 pm: | |
His name doesn't ring a bell. |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 589
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 31, 2010 - 9:18 pm: | |
I thought he might have come over from Adelphian, but I guess not. He was my favorite teacher in Academy. We kept in contact all through my college and grad school days. Then I left the church, and we haven't really talked since. Out of all the relationships that were affected by my leaving Adventism, his friendship is the one I miss the most.
I know a lot of people from Adelphian, so I'm sure we do know the same people. In fact, I'm certain I know several from your graduating class. Are you on Facebook?
Grace |
Seekr777
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Post Number: 881
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| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 6:26 pm: | |
Colleen I went and read the link you referrenced on ANN, some of the comments were very disturbing to me in their defense of an institution and it's "truth". My life is so much simpler now it is quietly focused on Christ and Christ alone. |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 11294
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 11:14 pm: | |
Yes, Richard, I agree. It's quite unsettling. I realize now, when I read some of those things the Adventists publish, how much angst and tension there was just below the surface almost all the time. I learned to ignore it, thinking existential anxiety was normal.
Of course, I was a wreck in many ways, but there seemed to be no solution.
Praise God He introduced me powerfully to Jesus!
Colleen |
